Posts Tagged ‘science’

Is zero a number? Sounds like a simple enough question, but when posed to fellow ‘Undergrounders’ (members of our Underground Knowledge discussion group on Goodreads) it turns out to be quite complicated.

 

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Keeping in mind ‘Undergrounders’ are global and from all walks of life, including professionals, academics and blue-collar workers, here’s a snapshot of what they think:

Lisa says: Historically it (zero) did not start out as a number, but as a placeholder (1, 10, 100, 1000, etc.) and to fill in empty columns. But as a human species, we like to complicate things…learning about stuff in more depth….science and shit….we are a bunch of crazies! Zero is not defined. Does it prove the presence of something? Does it prove the absence of something? In a mathematical problem, can you cancel out a zero?

Krishna says: …there r many anomalies in maths regarding 0…but if u see the decimal number system, it’s basically a set of repetitions… 00 to 09, then 10 to 19, and so on and if u see the next set, it’s 100,101,102……111,112……and so on… so here 0 is not treated as anything “special” but treated as other digits only…. so I think 0 is a number….

Harry says: It (zero) existed way before decimal systems. Babylonians (Mayans etc.) first had the concept of zero… “It began to take shape as a number, rather than a punctuation mark between numbers, in India in the fifth century A.D.,” says Robert Kaplan, author of The Nothing That Is: A Natural History of Zero.

Masi says: Zero does have a value, it’s nothing. and it could be expressed as a word, symbol, or figure… (and) Less than zero just means it’s not a whole number, but less than it but it still has value.

James says: Ok, I’ve been converted to The Way of Zero. And fight all those (like Lisa!) who imply Zero is just nothing and not worthy 🙂 Acknowledge equal mathematical rights for Zero! Say no to mathematical discrimination! Yes 9 and 8 are the elite, but zero is a ground hero, forming a grassroots movement…trying to help those less even privileged like -1, -2, -3 etc.

Krishna says: Yes! Zero is our hero!

James says: Krishna, you now belong to the Way of Zero. Here we believe nothing is not nothing. Even if you have nothing, deep down you still got something and therefore you’re a Zero Hero 🙂

Harry says: If we’re actually in a matrix, then zeroes and ones were here long before anything else…. 🙂

Tim says: Zero is represented by a circle that symbolically means nothing, yet, because a circle has no beginning or end, it is eternal. Also, the planets in the sola system are round and are in permanent cycles of the sun and often each other… The circle, or zero, is profound me thinks… 🙂 I love this stuff…

Masi asks: Is infinity a variable? (I’m just asking random questions to make this go somewhere).

James says: This is the zero (nothing) thread, so why does nothing need to go somewhere, Masi?

Lisa says: With zero, the devil is in the details….hence Zero is not really a number, but the name given the very first eternal multiversal being….you can argue both for and against it and be right and wrong all at the same time… It is time to revise the First Law of Thermodynamics. Empty space is full of atoms and therefore DOES NOT consist of nothing.

Tim says: I think zero is an aspect of truth, thus its value is incalculable…

James says: Here’s a song about zero by the little known 1980s Scottish indie rock band TV21 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-htBdwn

 

To view all comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/18630809-is-zero-a-number?page=1

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The Underground Knowledge discussion group has been designed to encourage debates about important and underreported issues of our era. All you need is an enquiring mind, an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or share “underground knowledge”.

  

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Our Underground Knowledge global discussion group on Goodreads.com has cracked the 5,000 membership milestone, confirming its status as one of the fastest-growing and most active groups on the hugely popular literary site.

 

 

The Underground Knowledge group was designed to encourage debates about important and underreported issues of our era. All you need is an enquiring mind and a desire to gain or share “underground knowledge”.

We promote freedom of speech and welcome all viewpoints.

Our valued members include professional and blue collar workers, scientists, historians and teachers, humanitarians, radicals and conspiracy theorists, students, housewives, emergency services and military personnel, former intelligence operatives and more than a few bestselling authors.

 

Our Mission Statement reads:

No genuine change in society ever occurs without the mass public getting behind a cause. The good guys in government are counting on enough of us common people waking up and demanding more rights and greater freedoms.

So let’s start building this new world together…A fairer society where every citizen is truly equal regardless of wealth, social background, nationality, education, race, gender or sexuality.

This goal has clearly resonated with many, and our membership is truly international with members from First and Third World countries.

 

Our (often contentious) discussion threads include:

The racist science > The overpopulation myth (part 1).  https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1961414-the-overpopulation-myth-part-1?page=1

Was 9/11 a false flag attack and ‘Inside Job’? (POLL: 50% of you say YES).  https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2071995-was-9-11-a-false-flag-attack-and-inside-job-poll-50-of-you-say-yes

Childhood immunizations — Are vaccines for kids as safe as Big Pharma claims they are? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2270994-childhood-immunizations—-are-vaccines-for-kids-as-safe-as-big-pharma

A glimpse of the future? (star towers, free energy, revolutionary medicine, Space colonization, technology to reverse global warming & other scientific inventions to come?)  https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/18477864-a-glimpse-of-the-future-star-towers-free-energy-revolutionary-medici

Is President Trump for the common people? Or has he secretly been installed by the 1% elite?   https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/18333157-is-president-trump-for-the-common-people-or-has-he-secretly-been-instal

The science of biocentrism can prove there is an Afterlife, claims Professor Robert Lanza.  https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2271236-the-science-of-biocentrism-can-prove-there-is-an-afterlife-claims-profe

Are aliens visiting Earth or not????  https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1966591-are-aliens-visiting-earth-or-not

November 22, 1963. Dallas, Texas. — Investigating the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.  https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1962467-november-22-1963-dallas-texas—-investigating-the-assassination-of

“Imagine there’s no countries” – the case for global citizenship.  https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/18041504-imagine-there-s-no-countries-the-case-for-global-citizenship

Should drugs be decriminalized?  https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1964760-should-drugs-be-decriminalized

The Queen’s position in modern Britain.  https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1955439-the-queen-s-position-in-modern-britain

Forbidden history of the Bible > Earlier historical versions of Jesus Christ?  https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2246325-earlier-historical-versions-of-jesus-christ

Antarctica – what goes on down there?  https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/12077935-antarctica—what-goes-on-down-there

Is McDonalds actually food?  https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/18099843-is-mcdonalds-actually-food

The U.S. Military’s official proposal to kill American civilians, bomb U.S. cities and fly planes into buildings in staged terrorist attacks (Operation Northwoods declassified).  https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1953908-the-u-s-military-s-official-proposal-to-kill-american-civilians-bomb-u

Fluoride – is it safe for consumption?  https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/17514923-fluoride—is-it-safe-for-consumption

What is Terrorism and Who gets to define the term?  https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2122895-what-is-terrorism-and-who-gets-to-define-the-term

 

To view all discussion threads in the Underground Knowledge group — or better still to have YOUR say — go to: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge-a-discussion-group

Everyone’s welcome! All viewpoints welcome! Come visit!

 

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If science one day evolves to the point where extended life or immortality becomes an option, would you want to live for hundreds or thousands of years, or even forever? …That’s the question we’ve put to members of the Underground Knowledge discussion group in our latest poll on Goodreads.com  —

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Early poll results show respondents are divided with 40% opting for Hell yeah! and 40% opting for Hell no! and 20% undecided.

Some of the comments make for interesting reading:

Hell No!!! I want another round to see what I can get up to next!

I’d like to be able choose when to die! Immortality would drive me mad but I like the thought of a brain transplant – get a nice new body when I need it 😉

No way! My great grandmother lived to 101, she had still walked everywhere and clear of mind, and she passed in her sleep…sounds great? Nope! Not according to my gran she said the last 20 years was the toughest even worse than living through the depression and 2 World Wars…

C’mon it’ll be fun! I mean, at least nobody will say the old cliche “life’s too short” anymore!

I don’t believe I’d like to live forever…I do think if reincarnation is the next step, I’d like to remember, and keep the wisdom gained in previous lives.

Immortality does indeed exist but not in this world. I wouldn’t want to live forever here.    

If I could live exactly how I’m living…..meaning, still eat, enjoy life, sleep, make love etc. Absolutely. No Zombie, Vampire etc type of living. And stay a certain age. Not too young, just right in age.

 

To view all comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

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The Underground Knowledge discussion group (on Goodreads) has been designed to encourage debates about important and underreported issues of our era. All you need is an enquiring mind, an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or share “underground knowledge”.

 

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A March 2015 blog on debunking of the Big Bang Theory, and God’s role in that momentous event, remains our most popular posting to date here in Morcan Books & Films blog…so we figure it’s worth running again. Here it is, in its entirety…

Debunking of the Big Bang Theory leads to questions about God’s role in creation of the universe

Posted: March 5, 2015 in Underground Knowledge

It appears the universe may not have started with a BANG! That is if the latest science challenging the notion of the Big Bang Theory is correct.

This revelation has gotten members of our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com fairly worked up, with those of an atheistic or scientific bent butting heads with those of a religious persuasion as members debate the role of God in the creation of the universe.

It (the discussion that is) all began with a comment by a group moderator. He drew attention to a news item that quotes a theoretical physicist as declaring new research suggests the age of the universe could be infinite. That same article quotes another scientist as declaring “We (scientists) really have no right to say that the universe begins with a big bang.”

The news item referred to is at: https://au.news.yahoo.com/technology/…

The research referred to, incidentally, pertains to a paper published Feb. 4 in the journal Physical Letters B, and another paper that is currently under peer review, which was published in the preprint journal arXiv.

One of our members responded by quoting Genesis 1:1 – In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. She adds, “It’s the simple truth that I believe in.”

Another member countered by saying, “Unfortunately it’s not a simple truth: it is not simple and may not be the truth. E.g. who or what created god? According to Genesis, the universe was created about 6500 BC or something, whereas we know the Universe to be 13.8 billion years old. So Genesis is wrong anyway. “Who or what is god” is equivalent to the question to which Physics is seeking an answer. The big bang hypothesis assumes quantum mechanics is equivalent to god… With the big bang, there is a better explanation for reality and god isn’t needed. By the Occam’s razor principle we can therefore do without him.

To which the first member answered, “To answer the question, “who or what created god?” Nothing and no one created God. God has simply always existed. He was. He is. And He will be.”

Members’ (further) comments follow. (Names withheld):

At the risk of again being laughed at; the paths to god encompass the pre-destined pursuits of failing “knowledge” and the beauty of faith.

Other hypotheses such as a recycling universe, which is certainly not a new idea, may have a different role for quantum mechanics. Something that goes on forever (a recycling universe) is unsatisfactory as it doesn’t explain how it got there in the first place. Why is there something rather than nothing?

How does the new proposal handle the background radiation issue? Some sites worth reading: http://www.big-bang-theory.com/http://news.nationalgeographic.com/ne…

I believe the Big Bang Theory is very ridiculous and requires EVEN MORE FAITH than believing that a loving God created the universe in six days (which is totally the truth, and very simple to accept.)

Keep in mind most modern Christians do not state the world is 4-6,000 years old anymore. Most accept that the Earth is billions of years old as per science’s findings. The belief that it’s only a few thousand years old is now about as popular a Christian belief as the old Biblical viewpoint that the Earth is the center of the Universe. Certainly some Christian sects and other minority offshoots (e.g. Seventh Day Adventists) push the old 4,000 year old Biblical belief, but not mainstream Christianity as a whole…FYI, the Aboriginal (native) people in Australia are estimated to go back to around 50,000 years.

The bottom line is the Bible was written by men (not any supernatural entity) and written in a time when people had little scientific understanding…

The Bible was Not written by men. It was spoken through men but God-breathed (God spoke it it to them or supernaturally showed them what to write).

Any Christian scholar will inform you the Bible was most certainly written by men. Afterall, nobody is saying the books that formed the Bible fell out of the sky already written. Each book in the Bible had authors – hence the Book of Job, the Gospel of Mark, the Gospel of Matthew etc. Furthermore, it’s historically proven many or all of these books were edited at later dates (e.g. the Council of Nicea biblical edits in 353AD conducted by the Romans).

There are actually various other scientific theories that have been proposed regarding the background radiation. For example, Japanese scientist and member of this group Takaaki Musha has proposed that the cosmic background radiation is not due to the after-glow of a Big Bang, but rather it’s due to the Cherenkov radiation from tachyon pairs created from a ZPF vacuum.

Back to the point about the universe possibly recycling. Didn’t Hubble himself have that idea? Wasn’t he the one who thought up the phrase “big bang” as a frustrated way of saying how silly the whole idea was? Of course science is full of silly ideas that ultimately survive the full test of scientific enquiry, such as evolution itself. It will probably take a long time to dismiss the “big bang” theory [no pun intended!]. We can get very close to the point when the current universe began — a tiny fraction of a second. After this point the laws of physics as currently known can work to produce the universe as it is. However close we can get we may never know for sure how the universe began.

There may indeed be a few ideas going around such as parallel universes and/or holographic loop, but these don’t seem testable. This makes it unsatisfactory. I can’t possibly see how the universe could be physically infinite. Closed, certainly. In other words if we keep racing for the exit then we can’t get out, even after an infinite time. This is because ultimately space curves in on itself according to principles of general relativity.

To view the entire discussion thread, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2237090-the-big-bang-theory—debunked

 

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The list of discussion threads continues to grow with nothing off limits, no matter how contentious, in our Underground Knowledge discussion group on the major books and authors site Goodreads.com.

 

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At 1700 plus members, the Underground Knowledge group is one of the most active and fast-growing on the popular Goodreads site. Members seem to resonate with the group’s stated aim, which is: To encourage debates about important and underreported issues of our era. All you need is an enquiring mind, an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or share “underground knowledge”.

Our members include members include scientists, social activists, teachers, historians, award-winning authors, former military and intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students, former police officers, journalists, readers and many more.

Essentially the term “underground knowledge” covers details and concepts and little-known events that are usually not reported in the Mainstream Media (MSM), or if they are mentioned by MSM they are underreported for various reasons.

Links to a random selection of the group’s discussion threads follow:

 The 2016 U.S. Presidential Election     

What is Terrorism and Who gets to define the term?

Vaccinating children — Is it the smart thing for parents to do?  

Was 9/11 a false flag attack and ‘Inside Job’? 54% of you voted YES

GMO’s (Genetically Modified Organisms)  

The US Military’s proposal to kill American civilians (Operation Northwoods declassified)

Finding (hiding) a cure for cancer  

Meditation, Yoga and intelligence

Brainwashed slaves  

What or who are aliens?

Evidence for scientifically advanced Ancient civilizations?  

The central banking system

Media manipulation

…………And the list goes on!

 

To visit the Underground Knowledge group go to: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

New members welcome!

 

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Do you believe A.I. (artificial intelligence) will ever be more advanced/sophisticated than human intelligence? That’s the question we put in our latest poll to members of our Underground Knowledge Discussion Group on Goodreads.com. Most respondents to date have answered “Yes” to the question.

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In posting this most intriguing of questions, we suggest fellow ‘Undergrounders’  (group members) consider whether AI will ever surpass humanity “over all” — meaning AI might be able to beat human intelligence in isolated fields like a game of chess, but can it ever be more advanced in almost every other intellectual field?

To date, interim poll results — to the question “Do you believe A.I. (artificial intelligence) will ever be more advanced/sophisticated than human intelligence?” — are as follows:

53% say Yes / 37% say No / 10% are Unsure.

A random selection of members’ (abridged) responses follows:

I believed No before that the machine can transcend the capability of human brain. But I think there is a possibility that the machine can transcend the human brain by studying the bain mechanism from the standpoint of superluminal particles. In some future, we will obtain the technology for superluminal physics which can manupulate superluminal particles, which can lead to the realization of HAL 9000 in this world.

 

I voted NO in this poll and believe AI will never beat human intelligence. Reason being in my opinion (which is really just a gut instinct) is that human intelligence has an indefinable creativity inbuilt in it that is unprogrammable.

 

I think it’s a matter of how you define “intelligence.” In terms of storing knowledge, we’re already there. My desktop “knows” a whole lot more than I do and databases store more than we could ever remember and then, of course, there’s Wikipedia. Synthesizing data is slightly more complex, but certainly possible given enough “if-then” statements. A certain level of morality can be programmed relatively easily…However, creativity and having emotions are another story. Those define us as humans and individuals. It’s also the driving force behind most of our actions. How much that can ever be imbued in a machine or robot is another story.

 

I voted “no”, but if humans continue to behave at na inferior level, without improving their skills, of course we will be beaten by AI. I mean, if we want to stay at the level of AI, or better, to overpass it, humans need to keep working continuosly on themselves, and improve their institutions and societies…In the jungle, without preparation, even a chacal beats us…

 

To view all comments related to this poll, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

Poll closes May 18.

 

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Membership of our lively ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com  has now topped 800, making it one of the fastest growing groups on the extraordinarily popular (Amazon-owned) literary site.

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Our Underground Knowledge group is also one of the most active on Goodreads. Little wonder given many of the contentious topics under discussion…

A random sample of the group’s discussion threads follow. (Click on any links that appeal to view members’ comments):

Restructuring capitalism

The Queen’s position in modern Britain

Big Pharma & the Medical Mafia

Can we trust news media outlets?

The truth about international aid

November 22, 1963. Dallas, Texas.

Hurricane Katrina and African-American communities

The overpopulation myth (part 1)

Do 300 People Rule The World?

The multi-trillion dollar WW2 cover-up

(Profiting from) The War on Drugs

The Catcher mystery continues

Is the Islamic State (IS/ISIS) another invention of the West?

Finding (hiding) a cure for cancer

Earlier historical versions of Jesus Christ?

Are aliens visiting Earth or not????

Was 9/11 a false flag attack and ‘Inside Job’? 62% of you voted YES

Global Warming – is it real?

The US Military’s proposal to kill Americans

Banned books of the Bible

The political apathy of today’s youth

The Big Bang Theory – Debunked?

Obama, Murdoch & the Bush/Clinton clans

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Our Underground Knowledge discussion group is aimed at those with an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times.

Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind. Our members include scientists, social activists, teachers, historians, authors, military and intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students, former police officers, one or two rednecks (we are trying to weed them out), doctors, a couple of busybodies (they’re okay), journalists, readers and many more.

Visit the group at: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

 

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