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Do you believe capitalism should be restructured, replaced by another economic system or left exactly as is? That’s the question we put to our Underground Knowledge group members in our latest poll on Goodreads.com; we also address that question in our upcoming INTERNATIONAL BANKSTER$: The Global Banking Elite Exposed and the Case for Restructuring Capitalism (book five in our Underground Knowledge Series).

INTERNATIONAL BANKSTER$: The Global Banking Elite Exposed and the Case for Restructuring Capitalism (The Underground Knowledge Series, #5)

Interim poll results show that 53% of respondents believe capitalism should be restructured or reformed; 27% say it should be replaced by another system; 10% insist it should be left exactly as is; and the balance are unsure.

Poll respondents’ comments make for interesting reading. Sample abridged comments (names withheld) follow: 

I’m essentially a Capitalist as I believe (however flawed) Capitalism is the only economic system ever devised that rewards entrepreneurial and/or hard-working individuals. So I’d never vote for Socialism or communism. However, I also think unregulated Capitalism has become one of the biggest problems facing society right now. It is allowing big business (including multinational monopoly-style companies) too much power and the average 9-5 worker is getting screwed.

Communism need not be the only alternative to Capitalism. A system should be devised which incorporates the good from both.

There is such abuse of capitalism… When money is the only objective at any cost you have a problem. The proposed TPP trade agreement is inherently wrong, again giving more power to the corporations. If you look at the 1888 introduction to Edward Bellamy’s Looking Backward you will see the workers still in the same position today. There must be social, economic, governmental and political change. Accountability must be instituted for corporations, none of which, including banks are too big to fail. War profiteering must end. Endless war must end. No one needs excessive billions of dollars at the expense of everyone else. Economic morality must be sadly legislated.

Capitalism should be reformed, so freedom can be secure for all, and finally the ones who were once left behind can be reached.

I think what critics are currently calling Capitalism and the free market are really corporatocracy and cronyism or “unregulated Capitalism” which is a different thing from what was originally in place in the US and much of the Western world. But whatever the case, I do think the wide scale economic or financial corruption by the elites is leading to increasing numbers becoming homeless, losing their homes, going bankrupt, not being able to pay their medical bills, etc, etc.

The greatest flaw of capitalism is the ability of corporate leaders to manipulate the political system to their benefit and to the detriment of everyone else. Making behavior like this a criminal offence, and enforcing the law, would go a long way toward reforming capitalism. To paraphrase Churchill, capitalism is the worst economic system there is, except for all the others.

Capitalism’s turned us into competitive human beings (which I don’t believe is good)and means we live in a system that benefits the rich and f…. the poor. Whether it’s modified or replaced, I don’t much care, as long as we can find a system that helps provide the necessities of life for everyone first. Then you can buy your Gucci dresses and blood diamonds.

Society must find a wise way to give food, shelter, education and health care to everyone. The change from capitalism to another system, needs first a big change in the way the majority thinks.

Poverty could be solved instantly if we wanted it to be- which would reduce crime, benefit the economy and be better for all concerned (oh, other than that current 1% at the top, but they’ve had their turn). I think it’s important we look beyond such things in the way that if someone says they’re anti-capitalist it must mean they’re a socialist, for instance. We base our understanding on the past and not with common sense in the present. . Feed, house, give water and energy to everyone and the world would soon change for the better. THEN you can start trying to attain whatever else your heart desires. Capitalism, in its current form, certainly doesn’t aid any of that.

Surely the genius and greatest evil of capitalism is that we all become both product and customer, consumer and consumed?

The problem cannot be blamed on shareholders, nor marketers. We must take self-responsibility.

 

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

Poll ends June 18 PST.

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Our Underground Knowledge discussion group is aimed at those with an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times.

Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind. Our members include scientists, social activists, teachers, historians, authors, military and intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students, former police officers, journalists, readers and many more.

Visit the group at: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

 

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We put it to the members of our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com whether there’s evidence for the existence of scientifically advanced ancient civilizations in our past, and the feedback received shows that many of our members believe there’s evidence aplenty.

The Aroi Sun Kingdom of the Pacific- oldest ancient civilization in the world 

A random selection of members’ comments (names withheld) follows – the first four being from historians:

Perhaps if we dig deep for ancient civilizations other than those of which we are aware, we just might learn some things, some ways of life, that we seriously need to learn to evolve as better beings and less destructive beings.

 

Check out B E Dennis’ Crystal Skull Trilogy…a very interesting read. And a kind of related thought for those who are interested in past life regression: what might those uncover? If we are going to go exploring for truths we might consider every possible path to them. It would be interesting to see which of the “powers” individually and collectively, would object strenuously to such expeditions.

 

Wow, an interesting dialogue. As a college history major, I agree that there are agendas and mistakes. However, as you begin to move forward in a career in history, you have to be aware of the realities of the job. You can be brilliant, but if you are starving, you end up conforming.

 

For this discussion I would recommend Technology of the Gods: The Incredible Sciences of the Ancients. I am not familiar with this one but it might be of interest as well: The Anti-Gravity Handbook.

 

I think the best evidence for a scientifically advanced civilization is in Egypt. The precision machining of granite for sarcophagi, statues, etc. is perhaps better than we can do right now. Some people argue that we don’t have the technology to build the Giza pyramids or that it would at least take billions of dollars to achieve. I think there are some simpler explanations for many out-of-place artifacts, especially those found in rock that is apparently very old.

 

In several hindu scripts some surprising thing are found. the origin of universe as described in Rig veda is very much similar to the big bang theory! in epics like mahabharat we can find accounts about nuclear wars. I have heard that the ground in which the war was fought is absolutely barren and not a single grass grows there.

 

In Purana we can see that many vedic saints used to travel in flying machines. The question is why the ancient people have written about humans flying with gods? Moreover many priests used to worship god in one place at morning and in other place many kms away at evening. How they used to do that?

 

In 1513, a map was drawn by Piri Reis on Gazelle skin. The map shows the western coast of Africa, eastern coast of South America and northern coast of Antarctica. The most puzzling however is not so much how Piri Reis managed to draw an accurate map of Antarctic region 300years before it was discovered, but the map shows the coastline under ice. Latest day evidence confirms that Queen Maud land could have been in an ice free state is 4000BC. So the Piri Reis map shows the northern part of Antarctic before the ice did cover it. The question is was the map was drawn 6000 years ago? Then how did they do it as technology was not so good then.

 

In my opinion there are quite a few people in academia who have different ideas (in many subject areas), but are afraid to pursue them for fear of damaging their careers.

 

Look at how much resistance Robert Schoch got when he said the Sphinx had to be older because of the water weathering. Geologists who saw the evidence all agreed but Egyptologists had a hissy fit. Now we have Gobekli Tepe which shows that human civilizations were capable of complex projects at least 12,000 years ago. Also Gunung Padong and probably more sites will come to light.

 

Check out the various myths of the Lost Civlizations of the Ancients: https://www.goodreads.com/photo/group…

 

To read all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2097990-evidence-for-scientifically-advanced-ancient-civilizations

 

Other Underground Knowledge discussion threads related to fringe science that may be worth checking out include:

Out-there science

10 (Rumored) Lost Or Suppressed Inventions

Pole Shift

The Big Bang Theory – Debunked?

 

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Membership of our lively ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on the popular Goodreads.com literary site has now topped 700 — little wonder given the controversial nature of many of the topics being discussed!

Goodreads: Book reviews, recommendations, and discussion

Some of the more contentious discussion threads follow. (Click on any links that appeal to view members’ comments):

Is the Islamic State (IS/ISIS) another invention of the West?

Finding (hiding) a cure for cancer

Earlier historical versions of Jesus Christ?

Are aliens visiting Earth or not????

Was 9/11 a false flag attack and ‘Inside Job’? 62% of you voted YES

Global Warming – is it real?

The US Military’s proposal to kill Americans

Banned books of the Bible

The political apathy of today’s youth

The Big Bang Theory – Debunked?

Obama, Murdoch & the Bush/Clinton clans

Restructuring capitalism

The Queen’s position in modern Britain

Big Pharma & the Medical Mafia

Can we trust news media outlets?

The truth about international aid

November 22, 1963. Dallas, Texas.

Hurricane Katrina and African-American communities

The overpopulation myth (part 1)

Do 300 People Rule The World?

The multi-trillion dollar WW2 cover-up

(Profiting from) The War on Drugs

The Catcher mystery continues

 

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Our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group is aimed at those with an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times.

Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind. Our members include scientists, teachers, historians, authors, military and intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students, former police officers and many more.

Visit the group at: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

 

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Was Al Qaeda an intelligence construct used by Washington to destabilize and destroy sovereign countries while sustaining the illusion of an‘outside enemy’ that threatens the security of the Western World? That’s the assertion made in an article originally published by Global Research in 2005, shedding light on the nature of Al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda terrorists.

We ran the article in a discussion thread titled “Evidence to suggest Al Qaeda created in the West” in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on the popular literary site Goodreads.com.

As one member observes, “That should be a must read! Especially with what’s going on right now in Syria/Iraq et al. ISIS, ISIL, IS… Al Qaeda… The ‘enemy’ keeps changing. The ‘enemy’s’ name and location keeps changing. We’re getting more and more used to a war that doesn’t really bother a lot of the West, when the video of someone’s cat on YouTube is more important.”

Meanwhile, an interesting excerpt from the aforementioned article follows: “The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the ‘TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money.”

The article, which we ran in full, prompted a flurry of comment from members of our Underground Knowledge group.

A sample of those comments (names withheld) follows:

It seems like once the media repeats the names and evil intentions of these often-fabricated organizations enough times, the masses believe it and nobody (not even investigative journalists) researches the true origins of these groups.

 

Al Queada weren’t even ever mentioned in mainstream news (hardly) before 9/11, just as other groups that now spring up weren’t known about- but it’s a complex subject.

 

This story is just one of numerous pieces of evidence pointing toward Al Qaeda being created in the West (specifically in New York, actually). And when all those evidences are added up, it equates to an absolute fact that Al Qaeda was yet another fabricated enemy we built in the US for sinister purposes. And yet now there’s a new enemy in ISIS and still people never study history before reacting to the exact things in the present that the globalists want us to react to.

 

Bin Laden’s death highly suspicious in my opinion. Check out this post here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

 

What the truth is about Bin Laden’s alive or dead status is anyone’s guess, but there’s not a shadow of doubt in my mind that the official raid and quick burial was just utter bollocks. A classic example of where one country just feeds something to the news (their little cabaret act in Pakistan on video and mention of some undisclosed intelligence) and lo and behold, the press and subsequently the people take it as being true.

 

To view all the comments and/or to have your say go to our Underground Knowledge group’s discussion thread at: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2028159-evidence-to-suggest-al-qaeda-was-created-in-the-west

 

Related Underground Knowledge group threads that may also be of interest include:

What is a false flag attack?

Is the Islamic State (IS/ISIS) another invention of the West?

Was 9/11 a false flag attack and ‘Inside Job’? 62% of you voted YES

The US Military’s proposal to kill Americans

 

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Conjecture over what or who are aliens has prompted another lively debate in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com with some members saying they (aliens) are beings from far away galaxies while others believe they are multidimensional or interdimensional beings; others claim they are time travelers from the future and still more say they are delusions of the insane and therefore don’t exist.

 

Sample comments from group members (names withheld) follow:

The breakaway civilization angle is interesting. Author William Gibson has a great quote. It goes something like “The future is here it’s just unevenly distributed.” I’m sure there are some technologies that are closely held somewhere. I don’t know what or who. I’m sure some private groups are guarding some secrets.

 

I’ve recently read Karla Turner’s last book, Masquerade of Angels. It was published right before (or after?) she died. From what I understand, she was very outspoken that the intentions behind abductions were to use or harm humans. Through the experience of the subject in her book, he was dealing with a hostile race of reptilians. The procedures performed on him would match some of the statements made about human’s being referred to as containers – which in my own research and experience I am finding holds a lot of credibility.

 

I also have a pet theory that humans produced an advanced technological society prior to the last ice age. Real evidence is lacking but there are a lot of clues that point to it – especially artifacts produced in Egypt that are best explained by advanced machining.

 

I do not know if these beings are from other planets or other dimensions. I do believe that there are creatures that reside within the realm of Earth, just outside our perception, and are responsible for some of the spiritual abduction encounters. This is actually my current focus in my new project.Anatomically modern humans have been around for at least 200,000 years with brains that worked as well as ours do. Is it really logical to assume they spent 190,000 of those years just hunting and gathering? So given that, I wonder if some group of humans developed some technology and are still around somehow. It could be something banal like space travel technology or something weirder.

 

I’ve recently been leaning toward the angle that aliens are denizens of the inner planes. I mean that in the Neoplatonist/Hermetic sense. Not sure how it translates into out materialist world view. Also, Jung’s Collective Unconscious is close to what I mean.

 

Alternately, I haven’t entirely abandoned the tulpa idea. Perhaps we have collectively created aliens and given them some sort of existence without consciously meaning to.

 

There are theories that the rest of the universe is not as dense or physical…and that other lifeforms out in space are therefore interdimensional.

 

I spent much of the past two decades as a futurist, trying to forecast future trends in technology. I’ve come to the conclusion that there’s an awful lot of mass media work taking place to prepare the public not to panic when there’s an official “first contact.”

 

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2137716-what-or-who-are-aliens?comment=116358097#comment_116358097

 

Related discussion threads in our Underground Knowledge group include:

Underground Knowl…:Antigravity propulsion: human or alien technologies?

Underground Knowl…:Other UFO theories

Underground Knowl…:The argument for manmade technologies

Underground Knowl…:*Amazing UFO quotes from world leaders, NASA astronauts & other prominent figures

 

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Our latest ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group poll on the popular literary site Goodreads.com  asks: Do you believe Jesus Christ was a real historical person? Interim results show that 60% of poll respondents say Yes; 23% say No; and 17% are Unsure.

 Christ, by Heinrich Hofmann.jpg

Christ as depicted by artist Heinrich Hofmann.

The poll was inspired by a lively new discussion thread titled Forbidden history of the Bible in our group.

That thread in turn has spawned the following debates:

Earlier historical versions of Jesus Christ?

Extensive biblical revisions made by the Romans

Biblical conspiracy theory re Adam & Eve

Book of Genesis – not an original document?

and last but not least…

Banned books of the Bible

 

Before voting in the poll, members were advised, “For anyone wanting to read more on this subject before voting, here’s a discussion thread in the group on “Earlier historical versions of Jesus Christ”: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

 

A selection of poll respondents’ comments follow (names withheld):

No offense but the question to me is nonsensical, so I didn’t weigh in. No genuine scholar denies that Jesus existed. That leaves pretty much only propagandists and pseudo-scholars, who know nothing about history, that deny that He did. There is way more proof for His existence than there is for many other people that we accept as historical. People can argue about what His significance is, but that He was a historical figure is unquestionably so.

 

I am obligated to be honest with respect to my Christian brethren and friends here. My “YES” Jesus existed is qualified by the separation of what is ascribed to him in the Gospel. It is problematic to align with Paul’s advocating that a Jew of the first century would claim divinity when the Jews challenged Rome over the same issue to the very end of a disastrous conclusion, and without surrendering their belief: they rather faced a holocaust than surrender their belief before Rome. The followers of Jesus rejected Paul, not Jesus.

 

I don’t ALTOGETHER believe Jesus Christ existed as such, but the question, with only Yes, No and Unsure options, imposes limitations on the answer. By that I mean that it’s perfectly plausible that a man, or many men existed at that time called Jesus of Nazareth, and it’s wholly plausible that one or more might have been regarded as Jesus Christ. What I don’t believe is that a ‘Jesus Christ son of God’ existed, any more than I believe God himself existed. I hope I’ve explained that clearly. (Gulps)

 

I believe there is a true person behind the legends and stories. Just not that every action, event, or saying ascribed to him in the canonical or other writings is 100% accurate.

 

Way too much historical evidence for him. See Josephus.

 

It’s my understanding that many (or most?) historians now believe Josephus’ documents that name Jesus are forgeries: http://www.truthbeknown.com/josephus.htm

 

It is very possible the Church threw in the forgery. I don’t disagree with that. I do disagree that Jesus is a figment of some one’s story telling ability.

 

Are you aware of all the Pagan Gods who came before Christ – like Mithra, Horus and Osiris – whose lives are remarkably similar to the story of Jesus? I find the history (or lack of, depending on your take) surrounding Jesus gets really convoluted the deeper you research.

 

Agreed. Lot’s of stuff borrowed. There was even a second messiah around 100 AD.

 

To see all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

 

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A recent Forbes article titled ‘Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming Claims’ has prompted one of the liveliest debates yet seen in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group with the various factions defending their beliefs quite vehemently in some cases. No surprises there given the passionate claims and counter-claims surrounding this most topical of issues.

 Global Warming Facts Losing Support In US, Considered A Fake Climate Change Hoax

Excerpts from the Forbes article, which was dated Feb. 25, 2015, follow:

Yet another bitterly cold, snowy winter is destroying alarmist global warming claims, proving once again that over-the-top global warming predictions are proving no more scientifically credible than snake oil…

…Connecticut is experiencing its coldest February in recorded history. So is Michigan. So is Toronto. Cleveland and Chicago are experiencing their second coldest February in recorded history. Frigid and record cold temperatures are being set from Key West to International Falls. At the same time, blizzard after blizzard is burying much of the nation with record winter snow totals, with winter snowfall records beings set from Boston to Denver. Global warming activists are in full-throttle damage control, desperately claiming global warming causes record snow and cold…

…The most meaningful lesson from the unusually cold and snowy recent winters is that global warming is so minor as to be barely noticeable…Global warming alarmists will still try to sell their snake oil, hoping you will forget that tornadoes, hurricanes, droughts, floods, snow, and heat waves all really did occur prior to 1988. Most of these events actually occurred more frequently in decades past. And global warming activists will try to induce you to forget their prior snake-oil predictions, like the warm and snow-free predictions issued by the IPCC.

 

For the full Forbes article go to: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/25/cold-and-snow-destroy-global-warming-claims/

 

Predictably, the Forbes article sparked a flurry of comments from our fellow Undergrounders (members of our Underground Knowledge group) including one from a learned member who says, “The global discussion on Global Heating has moved way, way beyond the whole ‘is it real?’ stuff.” He claims, “To still be pondering that is akin to still being debating whether the Earth is round or flat, purely because the Flat Earth Society insists that its view be heard. Flat Earthers get laughed out of town these days.”

 

Members’ randomly selected comments follow:

The point that I was trying to make, regarding Global Warming, is that it’s important not to allow deniers to sow doubt where none exists. It’s a typical Big Brother tactic. If facts don’t suit your agenda, and the evidence for them is such that you can’t deny them outright, sow doubt among the population at large about them. Start a “debate” which distracts attention and energy from worthwhile discussion and progress… exactly what is happening here. It’s a little disappointing to see that you’ve swallowed the Big Brother bait on this one.

 

The Forbes article – yawn. More establishment doubt-sowing. “Some Snow Destroys Global Warming Claims” is about as good as “Some Cheeseburgers Destroy Global Hunger Claims” or “Some Money Destroys Global Poverty Claims”. You’re correct, Forbes hasn’t run any articles lately questioning whether the Earth is round or flat, but then, the Flat Earth Society don’t have media and political lobbyists backed by billions of oil money, either.

 

This article in London’s leading newspaper The Telegraph with the headline ‘The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever’ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth… The first paragraph from this mainstream media article is perhaps telling: When future generations look back on the global-warming scare of the past 30 years, nothing will shock them more than the extent to which the official temperature records – on which the entire panic ultimately rested – were systematically “adjusted” to show the Earth as having warmed much more than the actual data justified.

 

The “debate” that exists in mainstream media is fossil-fuel company sponsored diversion of public attention from the fact that their industry is wrecking the planet. Among the scientific community there is overwhelming consensus on the issue. If you still need evidence for global warming, here is as good a place to start as any: http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 

It seems like every one has an opinion, but only the best scientists have the data. Those scientists provide a large set of data that would suggest global warming is real. No where though did anyone say it was linear, which it isn’t.

 

We (Earthlings) are either in an Ice Age or between Ice Ages. If we are between, as is the case now, we are either coming out of the last Ice Age or heading into the next one…so we either warm up or we cool down. In other words…we’ve seen it all before. Any takers? No? Too simple perhaps? The thing that worries me about this whole global warming debate is the amount of money up for grabs. Even IF the naysayers are wrong about global warming, I smell something…the whiff of corruption perhaps?

 

I find it a bit curious that anybody is still questioning the existence of human induced climate change. Some people might believe that some US president first realised this, but the first scientist to recognise it, as far as I know, was Tyndall in about 1850. Newspapers are worthless sources of information. They can’t get anything right. Journalists are not scientists.

 

Group member and author Dr. Stephen Martino posted the following: “Global warming has become a fact in today’s public school curriculums. People who deny its existence are considered “deniers” and/or ignorant. However, we must ask: Is global warming indeed factual or is it some myth that is perpetuated by our government to further control our lives, finances and daily activities? “Some facts that contradict the global warming theory include: 1. The earth has not gotten any warmer since 1998 2. The Northern Polar ice cap is getting larger despite Al Gore’s prediction that it would be absent by 2014 3. The amount of CO2 in our atmosphere is almost negligible at 0.04%.”

 

If you want a proper assessment of climate issues you need to get information from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change or the scientific literature. IPCC reports are balance reports written by 1000 scientists worldwide with no political axe to grind. IPCC reports are free of charge as are the data from which the climate assessments are made. Those reports explain why, e.g., ice ages are not an issue.

 

Greenhouse Effect: The radiative effect of particular gases in the atmosphere (h2o, CO2, CH4, N2O) which act in concert to raise the global temperature and cause other climate effects.

global warming: the change in global temperature.

climate change: the change in the earth’s climate.

These terms are not vague: it is you that is ignorant of them.

 

Blah, blah, blah again. At best and very magnanimously, a continuation of “scientific fact until next revision.”

 

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2244487-global-warming—is-it-real

 

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Membership of our rapidly growing ‘Underground Knowledge’ group on the popular Goodreads.com literary site has now topped 660. Do visit the group at: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

 

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It appears the universe may not have started with a BANG! That is if the latest science challenging the notion of the Big Bang Theory is correct.

This revelation has gotten members of our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com fairly worked up, with those of an atheistic or scientific bent butting heads with those of a religious persuasion as members debate the role of God in the creation of the universe.

It (the discussion that is) all began with a comment by a group moderator. He drew attention to a news item that quotes a theoretical physicist as declaring new research suggests the age of the universe could be infinite. That same article quotes another scientist as declaring “We (scientists) really have no right to say that the universe begins with a big bang.”

The news item referred to is at: https://au.news.yahoo.com/technology/…

The research referred to, incidentally, pertains to a paper published Feb. 4 in the journal Physical Letters B, and another paper that is currently under peer review, which was published in the preprint journal arXiv.

One of our members responded by quoting Genesis 1:1 – In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. She adds, “It’s the simple truth that I believe in.”

Another member countered by saying, “Unfortunately it’s not a simple truth: it is not simple and may not be the truth. E.g. who or what created god? According to Genesis, the universe was created about 6500 BC or something, whereas we know the Universe to be 13.8 billion years old. So Genesis is wrong anyway. “Who or what is god” is equivalent to the question to which Physics is seeking an answer. The big bang hypothesis assumes quantum mechanics is equivalent to god… With the big bang, there is a better explanation for reality and god isn’t needed. By the Occam’s razor principle we can therefore do without him.

To which the first member answered, “To answer the question, “who or what created god?” Nothing and no one created God. God has simply always existed. He was. He is. And He will be.”

 

Members’ (further) comments follow. (Names withheld):

At the risk of again being laughed at; the paths to god encompass the pre-destined pursuits of failing “knowledge” and the beauty of faith.

 

Other hypotheses such as a recycling universe, which is certainly not a new idea, may have a different role for quantum mechanics. Something that goes on forever (a recycling universe) is unsatisfactory as it doesn’t explain how it got there in the first place. Why is there something rather than nothing?

 

How does the new proposal handle the background radiation issue? Some sites worth reading: http://www.big-bang-theory.com/http://news.nationalgeographic.com/ne…

 

I believe the Big Bang Theory is very ridiculous and requires EVEN MORE FAITH than believing that a loving God created the universe in six days (which is totally the truth, and very simple to accept.)

 

Keep in mind most modern Christians do not state the world is 4-6,000 years old anymore. Most accept that the Earth is billions of years old as per science’s findings. The belief that it’s only a few thousand years old is now about as popular a Christian belief as the old Biblical viewpoint that the Earth is the center of the Universe. Certainly some Christian sects and other minority offshoots (e.g. Seventh Day Adventists) push the old 4,000 year old Biblical belief, but not mainstream Christianity as a whole…FYI, the Aboriginal (native) people in Australia are estimated to go back to around 50,000 years.

 

The bottom line is the Bible was written by men (not any supernatural entity) and written in a time when people had little scientific understanding…

 

The Bible was Not written by men. It was spoken through men but God-breathed (God spoke it it to them or supernaturally showed them what to write).

 

Any Christian scholar will inform you the Bible was most certainly written by men. Afterall, nobody is saying the books that formed the Bible fell out of the sky already written. Each book in the Bible had authors – hence the Book of Job, the Gospel of Mark, the Gospel of Matthew etc. Furthermore, it’s historically proven many or all of these books were edited at later dates (e.g. the Council of Nicea biblical edits in 353AD conducted by the Romans).

 

There are actually various other scientific theories that have been proposed regarding the background radiation. For example, Japanese scientist and member of this group Takaaki Musha has proposed that the cosmic background radiation is not due to the after-glow of a Big Bang, but rather it’s due to the Cherenkov radiation from tachyon pairs created from a ZPF vacuum.

 

Back to the point about the universe possibly recycling. Didn’t Hubble himself have that idea? Wasn’t he the one who thought up the phrase “big bang” as a frustrated way of saying how silly the whole idea was? Of course science is full of silly ideas that ultimately survive the full test of scientific enquiry, such as evolution itself. It will probably take a long time to dismiss the “big bang” theory [no pun intended!]. We can get very close to the point when the current universe began — a tiny fraction of a second. After this point the laws of physics as currently known can work to produce the universe as it is. However close we can get we may never know for sure how the universe began.

 

There may indeed be a few ideas going around such as parallel universes and/or holographic loop, but these don’t seem testable. This makes it unsatisfactory. I can’t possibly see how the universe could be physically infinite. Closed, certainly. In other words if we keep racing for the exit then we can’t get out, even after an infinite time. This is because ultimately space curves in on itself according to principles of general relativity.

 

To view the entire discussion thread, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2237090-the-big-bang-theory—debunked

 

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Membership of our fledgling ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com has topped 640, making it one of the fastest growing groups on the popular literary site.

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The ‘Underground Knowledge’ group is aimed at those with an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times. Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind. Our members include scientists, teachers, historians, authors, military and intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students, former police officers and many more.

Visit the group at: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

 

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In the latest poll on our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com  we ask members if they believe Hurricane Katrina was a purely natural disaster; some of the responses make for interesting reading…

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Katrina batters New Orleans. 

The full question posed in this (continuing) poll reads: Do you believe Hurricane Katrina was a purely natural disaster or do you think it was an ‘inside job’ on some level (e.g. HAARP, eugenics-style racial attack, blowing up levees or general weather modification)?

Thus far, 43% of poll respondents have opted for natural disaster, 20% are unsure and the balance (37%) opted for inside job.

 

A random selection of comments from those who believe Hurricane Katrina was an inside job follows. (Names withheld):

I sense it was an Inside Job and voted that way. Declassified documents seem to indicate weather modification may be very advanced. Not just HAARP but general weather modification technologies that the military industrial complex has in its possession.

 

I strongly feel that Katrina was either orchestrated event or else a natural disaster that was used in an opportunist fashion to attack impoverished African American communities. Unfortunately, when you study the history of eugenics it is impossible to dismiss such sinister racial experiments.

 

Total inside job. I’ve talked to people that lived through it, swimming from house to house, and they said the levies were intentionally tampered with, although I can’t remember the specifics. Either way, it’s self-evident. All you have to do is look at how many people profited off the cleanup and by how much.

 

While I am unsure about the cause; I am sure that the authorities did everything in their power afterward to make more of a mess.

 

Indeed it was orchestrated. There was an emergency planning scenario drill exercise held in New Orleans which commenced one week ahead of the storm called Hurricane Pam. It is believed that this granted FEMA the cover it needed to plant the explosives in the levee wall of Lake Portchartrain.

 

The slow government response to this huge disaster was very unusual. Somehow, things didn’t make sense from a rescue point of view. Why did it take so long for the government to do something? This is not a normal response, in the U.S., anyway.

 

Although I cannot be 100% sure that it was a manmade inside job, I still voted that way, because if Katrina wasn’t, then certainly other things of the same ilk were. Weather modification, eugenics and associated things are those areas that can be backed up with some hard facts, and yet it’s still routinely ignored in mainstream press (even the weather modification we’ve been told has been employed).

 

And here’s some links relating to Katrina that poll respondents have provided:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz91N… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9k9P… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1m_d… https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

http://www.whale.to/b/vialls3.html

https://www.academia.edu/7533253/War_…

 

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/115513-do-you-believe-hurricane-katrina-was-a-purely-natural-disaster-or-do-you

 

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One of the most popular (and disturbing) threads on our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on the literary site Goodreads.com was sparked by a comment on the somewhat seedy topic of mind control and brainwashed slaves.

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Posted by James, one of the group’s moderators, the comment reads:

Although unproven, the fracturing of the psyche is said to be used by either intelligence agencies or sinister shadowy groups to create Manchurian Candidates and/or sex slaves.

It has been claimed that by conducting various forms of abuse on certain individuals, including verbal and sexual abuse, split personalities occur in victims which make mind control much easier.

Although such conspiracy theories seem outlandish, they perhaps cannot be instantly dismissed as the fact remains that the first psychiatrists employed to master mind control studied mental patients who had been diagnosed with Multiple Personality Disorder (which medical science has since renamed Dissociative Identity Disorder).

Many of those psychiatrists are said to have been Paperclip Nazi doctors who were brought to the US after conducting radical psychiatric experiments on patients during the Holocaust – the same doctors whose victims not only included Jews, Gyspies, political agitators and homosexuals, but also the mentally ill.

 

That post prompted an outpouring of comments – some from members who claim to be the victims of both satanic and sexual abuse.

A random sample of those comments (names withheld) follows:

EXCLUSIVE: ‘Charities claim that the satanic abuse of children is rife.’…CHILDREN have been the victims of satanic abuse including rape, murder and even the production of so-called snuff films which depict killings, two leading charities claimed last night. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/5330…

 

This sort of article makes naysayers who haunt the autobiographies of survivors with statements like “It’s all a hoax you idiot!” and “Satanic Panic” verbiage, say things like “liars!” They would like us all to go back to sleep and stop causing them trouble. Although they do like getting paid so well to harass survivors.

 

The idea that many establishment figures are organised criminal paedophiles, as put forward by conspiracy theorists years ago, who often named the same names, is coming out more and more here in the mainstream U.K press. See this story in today’s The Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/…

 

Damn…I find this stuff really, really scary…Especially when you consider they are probably just uncovering the tip of the iceberg. Who the hell are these “people” in power? The other question I have is how come this is only being uncovered or reported in the UK? When will similar revelations come to light in the US?

 

Here in the US, snuff films have been around since the early 70’s at least. When we said; “Do your own thing,” we had no idea of the sickness of some peoples things.

 

This investigation says that Satanic ritual abuse not proven and likely to be only isolated cases usually involving insane individuals https://www.goodreads.com/videos/7557… Not saying I believe that theory necessarily, but I wanted to present the argument against the mass ritual abuse theories. So don’t shoot the messenger!!

 

There is plenty of absolute solid proof that Satanic abuse groups do exist. To say they don’t is like saying the KKK don’t exist. There’s lesser proof that they are all connected in a larger conspiracy.

 

The current U.K organised paedophilia groups are not being presented as anything to do with Satanism. But when mainstream media is starting to agree about the high level organisation of it and how many important and well known people are involved with it, just as conspiracy theorists stated years ago. So surely that then gives more credence to those investigations of Satanic abuse that’s been mentioned by many of the same conspiracy researchers, especially when different branches of Satanism have had many close links to other known and secret organisations.

 

…Either way: ‘organised paedophilia’ or ‘organised Satanic paedophilia’, it’s as equally disturbing of course.

 

I think the consistency of survivor accounts is evidence that it is an organized ring of the same religion or mind set. Symbols used in their organized mind “programming” are consistent. Survivors talk about the use of Masonic symbols, and lines from fairy tales, children’s stories and biblical passages (Oz programming, Tower of Babble programming). This would be used to create consistency as a sort of “programming language” regardless of whether the users believed in the same religious jargon.

 

Ritual Abuse occurs with many different groups. I would be mistaken not to acknowledge this. I have a personal focus on the abuse linked to ramblings about the Illuminati, Masonic rites and MK-Ultra, but of course there are other groups who get caught up in the power trip of torture and murder in the name of their dark side.

 

This is an interesting blog about what is happening in the UK: http://thecolemanexperience.wordpress…

 

To view the entire discussion thread, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2042096-brainwashed-slaves

 

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Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind. Our members include scientists, teachers, historians, authors, military and intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students, former police officers and many more.

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