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As membership of our fledgling ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on the popular literary site Goodreads.com  approaches 1200 – in fact it may have hit that milestone by the time you read this – one discussion thread is currently running hot. It’s simply titled: What is terrorism and who gets to define the term?

The discussion thread began with the following post from a member:

As a western woman, the definition of terrorism is something that fascinates me. I want to know if there is any valid, objective definition of terrorism.

I find it interesting that in media the choice of words is very selective. When someone here in (the) West barges into school and kills hundreds of innocent children, the news often comes out as ‘gunman massacred children at primary school’. I guess most would agree that this is a terrorist act but it is never labeled as an act of terrorism. So does it mean, an individual’s action cannot be deemed as such and for it to qualify the action must be carried out by an organised group?

Hate group is another (term) which I find very confusing. Are hate groups, terrorist groups too? KKK is often labeled as a hate group but in fact their actions were the same as any terrorist group.

If you have to ask someone to name a few terrorist groups you would like get ISIS/ISIL, Al Qaeda and Taliban as the answer. Most people wouldn’t even think of our North American grown KKK as a bunch of terrorists. Does it mean that for terrorism to qualify, a group has to be an alien agency threatening western democracies?

With the likes of Al Qaeda and more recently ISIS dominating world headlines, it’s not surprising our members (Undergrounders) are vocal on the subject. At least two and possibly more of our members are former intelligence agents. (In one case, the gentleman concerned is a Britt who worked for British intelligence and, on occasion, for the CIA). They have contributed to this discussion thread.

Member’s selected/abridged comments (abridged) follow:

When suicide bombers go in to a military congregation and blow up soldiers AND inadvertently kill nearby civilians, this is called “terrorism”. However, when the West uses drone strikes where terrorists have been reported to be, and inadvertently wipe out an entire hospital or school or village, this is called “collateral damage” or a “an unfortunate accident for which the White House sincerely apologizes for”.

Most ‘terrorist’ attacks are usually organised by the government or agencies as an excuse to change laws or go to war.

The lines blur with terms like terrorists and it often depends who is telling the story as to who the terrorists are… I would say the superpower nations are the biggest terrorists, especially if you do a body count of all their carnage around the planet in the last few decades.

When everything is leaked and Wikileaked, I do wonder who the history books will eventually record as being the biggest terrorists of the 21st Century.

Let’s make no mistake, the spoils of The War on Terror are most likely the biggest spoils of any war in history…

There is an old saying, “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”…In 1946, the Jewish Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem killing some 90 people. That was one of dozens of similar Irgun attacks. One of the Irgun leaders, Menachem Begin later became prime minister of Israel… It seems terrorism, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

Given that over 1,000,000 Muslims (and counting) have died at the hands of Western aggression in the West’s stated attempt to reduce terrorism, I wonder what the history books of the future will call the War on Terror?

So we can all agree Islamic terrorism is very real. Denying its existence would be foolish, not to mention ignoring the fact that the moderate sectors of the Muslim world (who despite what Western media implies, is the VAST majority of Islamic population) are constantly mentioning their desire for terrorism to end (albeit without more phony wars). So to be clear, I stand for peace and the betterment of all peoples whatever nationality or race. But in saying all that, assessing whether terrorism is the big global threat to civilization is really a case of the devil being in the detail…The fine print is where many of the arguments that pass for fact in our shoddy 21st Century media (e.g. terrorists are everywhere, there’s not enough wealth in the world, Third World countries have limited resources etc, etc) often do not stack up under close inspection.

To read all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2122895-what-is-terrorism-and-who-gets-to-define-the-term?page=1 

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Was Al Qaeda an intelligence construct used by Washington to destabilize and destroy sovereign countries while sustaining the illusion of an‘outside enemy’ that threatens the security of the Western World? That’s the assertion made in an article originally published by Global Research in 2005, shedding light on the nature of Al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda terrorists.

We ran the article in a discussion thread titled “Evidence to suggest Al Qaeda created in the West” in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on the popular literary site Goodreads.com.

As one member observes, “That should be a must read! Especially with what’s going on right now in Syria/Iraq et al. ISIS, ISIL, IS… Al Qaeda… The ‘enemy’ keeps changing. The ‘enemy’s’ name and location keeps changing. We’re getting more and more used to a war that doesn’t really bother a lot of the West, when the video of someone’s cat on YouTube is more important.”

Meanwhile, an interesting excerpt from the aforementioned article follows: “The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the ‘TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money.”

The article, which we ran in full, prompted a flurry of comment from members of our Underground Knowledge group.

A sample of those comments (names withheld) follows:

It seems like once the media repeats the names and evil intentions of these often-fabricated organizations enough times, the masses believe it and nobody (not even investigative journalists) researches the true origins of these groups.

 

Al Queada weren’t even ever mentioned in mainstream news (hardly) before 9/11, just as other groups that now spring up weren’t known about- but it’s a complex subject.

 

This story is just one of numerous pieces of evidence pointing toward Al Qaeda being created in the West (specifically in New York, actually). And when all those evidences are added up, it equates to an absolute fact that Al Qaeda was yet another fabricated enemy we built in the US for sinister purposes. And yet now there’s a new enemy in ISIS and still people never study history before reacting to the exact things in the present that the globalists want us to react to.

 

Bin Laden’s death highly suspicious in my opinion. Check out this post here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

 

What the truth is about Bin Laden’s alive or dead status is anyone’s guess, but there’s not a shadow of doubt in my mind that the official raid and quick burial was just utter bollocks. A classic example of where one country just feeds something to the news (their little cabaret act in Pakistan on video and mention of some undisclosed intelligence) and lo and behold, the press and subsequently the people take it as being true.

 

To view all the comments and/or to have your say go to our Underground Knowledge group’s discussion thread at: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2028159-evidence-to-suggest-al-qaeda-was-created-in-the-west

 

Related Underground Knowledge group threads that may also be of interest include:

What is a false flag attack?

Is the Islamic State (IS/ISIS) another invention of the West?

Was 9/11 a false flag attack and ‘Inside Job’? 62% of you voted YES

The US Military’s proposal to kill Americans

 

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An article originally published by Global Research in 2005, shedding light on the nature of the terrorist organization Al Qaeda, has prompted a timely debate in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com – timely in view of the havoc ISIS are currently wreaking.

The article points to Al Qaeda being an intelligence construct used by Washington to destabilize and destroy sovereign countries, while sustaining the illusion of an outside enemy threatening the security of the Western World.

Al Qaeda and Taliban Uniting With Pakistani Terrorists Against U.S. in Afghanistan

Al Qaeda members pictured with Pakistani Taliban.

 

Brief excerpts from the Global Research article follow:

Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan.

Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence. “I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .

“The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the ‘TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money…”

 

Here’s a random selection of comments from ‘Underground Knowledge’ group members (names withheld) in response to the above article:

That should be a must read! Especially with what’s going on right now in Syria/Iraq et al. ISIS, ISIL, IS… Al Queada… The ‘enemy’ keeps changing. The ‘enemy’s’ name and location keeps changing. We’re getting more and more used to a war that doesn’t really bother a lot of the West, when the video of someone’s cat on YouTube is more important. You have all read 1984, right?

 

It seems like once the media repeats the names and evil intentions of these often-fabricated organizations enough times, the masses believe it and nobody (not even investigative journalists) researches the true origins of these groups.

 

Yes it’s all BS. Believe exactly 0% of what the main stream media and the government says…0%

 

This story is just one of numerous pieces of evidence pointing toward Al Qaeda being created in the West (specifically in New York, actually). And when all those evidences are added up, it equates to an absolute fact that Al Qaeda was yet another fabricated enemy we built in the US for sinister purposes. And yet now there’s a new enemy in ISIS and still people never study history before reacting to the exact things in the present that the globalists want us to react to.

 

RT have reported on the FBI inventing terrorists. Apparently, since 9/11, only 11 cases of ‘terrorist arrests’ posed a “potentially significant” threat to the United States. The rest of ’em are pretty much FBI entrapments to make the threat of terrorism on home ground look more worrying that it is.

 

I often wonder what other trouble the US causes…because they want to then turn around and be the heroes and “save” the world! The US, unfortunately, has a reputation for instigating problems, and then standing back and watching everything unfold. Then when it all goes to shit…

 

Agreed, because it’s to the detriment of the American people that so much of the annual US budget is being spent on foreign policy and military expenditure – and so little on The People…

 

ISIS allegedly just burned to death a Jordanian pilot, but even someone slightly educated about Islam would know that there are several hadith that strongly & specifically forbid execution by burning & it is strictly forbidden in Islamic law.

 

Ignorance is a problem indeed. And such infiltration and entrapment seems to be rife not only amongst Muslim groups, but with all sorts of protest groups as well, as you probably know.

 

To view all the comments on this hot topic, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2028159-evidence-to-suggest-al-qaeda-was-created-in-the-west

 

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Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind. Our members include scientists, teachers, historians, authors, intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students and many more.

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A suggestion that Al Qaeda was created in the West “to destabilize and destroy sovereign countries while sustaining the illusion of an outside enemy” has sparked a timely debate in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads. Timely given current events in Iraq and Syria involving ISIS, IS, ISIL et al.

Al-Shabab: The Somalian terrorist group with Al Qaeda links, has seen four San Diego residents been arrested in the past month

The debate was prompted by the airing of a contentious article originally published by Global Research, shedding light on the nature of Al Qaeda.

Here’s an excerpt from that article:

The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaeda. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the ‘TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money.

To read the full article, and members’ responses to it, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2028159-evidence-to-suggest-al-qaeda-was-created-in-the-west

Judging by the comments received in our group’s ‘False Flag Operations’ discussion thread, many if not most members believe Al Qaeda is a creation of the West, or, as one American contributor points out, “Another fabricated enemy we built in the US for sinister purposes.”

 

Here’s some more random comments (names redacted) on the subject of Al Qaeda:

ISIS, ISIL, IS… Al Qaeda… The ‘enemy’ keeps changing. The ‘enemy’s’ name and location keeps changing. We’re getting more and more used to a war that doesn’t really bother a lot of the West, when the video of someone’s cat on YouTube is more important. You have all read 1984, right?

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It seems like once the media repeats the names and evil intentions of these often-fabricated organizations enough times, the masses believe it and nobody (not even investigative journalists) researches the true origins of these groups.

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Al Qaeda weren’t even ever mentioned in mainstream news (hardly) before 9/11, just as other groups that now spring up weren’t known about- but it’s a complex subject.

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Yes it’s all BS. Believe exactly 0% of what the main stream media and the government says…0%

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This story is just one of numerous pieces of evidence pointing toward Al Qaeda being created in the West (specifically in New York, actually). And when all those evidences are added up, it equates to an absolute fact that Al Qaeda was yet another fabricated enemy we built in the US for sinister purposes. And yet now there’s a new enemy in ISIS and still people never study history before reacting to the exact things in the present that the globalists want us to react to.

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On a related note to this thread, RT have reported on the FBI inventing terrorists. Apparently, since 9/11, only 11 cases of ‘terrorist arrests’ posed a “potentially significant” threat to the United States. The rest of ’em are pretty much FBI entrapments to make the threat of terrorism on home ground look more worrying that it is. http://rt.com/usa/166060-usa-fbi-terr…

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Bin Laden’s death highly suspicious in my opinion. Check out this post here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

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What the truth is about Bin Laden’s alive or dead status is anyone’s guess, but there’s not a shadow of doubt in my mind that the official raid and quick burial was just utter bollocks. A classic example of where one country just feeds something to the news (their little cabaret act in Pakistan on video and mention of some undisclosed intelligence) and lo and behold, the press and subsequently the people take it as being true.

 

Our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group is open to everyone! All you need is an enquiring mind, an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times.

This group is also for like-minded people to discuss the controversial topics explored in The Underground Knowledge series – of which the first book in that series is The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy. This non-fiction title was written by James Morcan & Lance Morcan with a foreword by leading scientist Dr. Takaaki Musha and an afterword by renowned historian Professor Richard Spence.

The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy

To visit our Underground Knowledge group go to: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

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