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As everyone knows, most conspiracy theories are BS.

However, what about the lesser known and under-reported “conspiracy FACTS”?

The latest episode of the ongoing podcast series UNDERGROUND KNOWLEDGE is all about revealing such conspiracy facts…In this episode I outline 17 mind-blowing facts…Which prove that the conspiracy field is more nuanced than commonly acknowledged…

 

Number 1: Operation Paperclip

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

CIA records: https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol-58-no-3/operation-paperclip-the-secret-intelligence-program-to-bring-nazi-scientists-to-america.html

The New York Times: Nazis Were Given ‘Safe Haven’ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/us/14nazis.html

The Guardian: UK arranged transfer of Nazi scientists to Australia (Operation Matchbox) https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/aug/17/iantraynor

 

Number 2: Operation Northwoods

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

ABC News: U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

 

Number 3: Operation Mockingbird

The Nation: https://www.thenation.com/article/why-are-the-media-taking-the-cias-hacking-claims-at-face-value/

“In 1977, Carl Bernstein published an exposé of a CIA program known as Operation Mockingbird, a covert program involving, according to Bernstein, “more than 400 American journalists who in the past 25 years have secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency.” Bernstein found that in “many instances” CIA documents revealed that “journalists were engaged to perform tasks for the CIA with the consent of the managements of America’s leading news organizations.”

Operation Mockingbird – The Black Vault http://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/operation-mockingbird/

Operation Mockingbird was a secret campaign by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to influence media. Begun in the 1950s, it was initially organized by Cord Meyer and Allen W. Dulles, it was later led by Frank Wisner after Dulles became the head of the CIA.

The organization recruited leading American journalists into a network to help present the CIA’s views, and funded some student and cultural organizations, and magazines as fronts. As it developed, it also worked to influence foreign media and political campaigns, in addition to activities by other operating units of the CIA.

Declassified Documents http://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/operation-mockingbird/

The New York Times: Project Mockingbird – Spying on Reporters https://washington.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/project-mockingbird/

THE CIA AND THE MEDIA – Carl Bernstein http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

 

Number 4: Project MK-Ultra

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

The Washington Post: The Victims of MKULTRA https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1985/04/18/the-victims-of-mkultra/016c7686-1277-4ac6-aee6-8f1a69c86110/

 

Number 5: Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment

TIME: How the Public Learned About the Infamous Tuskegee Syphilis Study http://time.com/4867267/tuskegee-syphilis-study/

Tuskegee syphilis experiment – Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

 

Number 6: The U.S. Military Is Creating Insect Drones

CNN: Military drones that mimic hawks and insects http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/14/tech/mci-drone-robohawk-robofly/index.html

DAILY MAIL: Military unveils insect-sized spy drone with dragonfly-like wings http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3734945/Now-bugged-Military-unveils-insect-sized-spy-drone-dragonfly-like-wings.html

Is That a Bug or a Robotic Spy? https://www.roboticstomorrow.com/article/2017/12/is-that-a-bug-or-a-robotic-spy/11089

“A team of researchers in conjunction with the US Air Force Office of Scientific Research is developing what they are calling a micro aerial vehicle (MAV) that will undertake various espionage tasks. The robotic insect can effortlessly infiltrate urban areas, while being controlled from a long distance; and it is equipped with a camera and a built-in microphone.”

 

Number 7: Operation Midnight Climax

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Midnight_Climax

SF Chronicle: When the CIA ran a LSD sex-house in San Francisco http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/When-the-CIA-ran-a-LSD-sex-house-in-San-Francisco-7223346.php

 

Number 8: The Gulf of Tonkin Incident

NSA.gov (declassified reports) https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/gulf-of-tonkin/

New York Times: Vietnam War Intelligence ‘Deliberately Skewed,’ Secret Study Says http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/02/politics/vietnam-war-intelligence-deliberately-skewed-secret-study-says.html

The Truth About Tonkin | U.S. Naval Institute https://www.usni.org/magazines/navalhistory/2008-02/truth-about-tonkin

“Questions about the Gulf of Tonkin incidents have persisted for more than 40 years. But once-classified documents and tapes released in the past several years, combined with previously uncovered facts, make clear that high government officials distorted facts and deceived the American public about events that led to full U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.” -U.S. Naval Institute

 

Number 9: Project Sunshine

Project Sunshine: A Tale of Body-Snatching | Mysterious Universe http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2017/06/project-sunshine-a-tale-of-body-snatching/

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SUNSHINE

 

Number 10: The U.S. cover-up of the perpetrators of Unit 731 – the ‘Asian Auschwitz’ 

American cover-up of Japanese war crimes – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cover-up_of_Japanese_war_crimes

The New York Times: A New Look at Japan’s Wartime Atrocities and a U.S. Cover-Up https://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/10/21/china-unit-731-japan-war-crimes-biological/

 

Number 11: The Willowbrook State School Hepatitis Experiments

Victims of sinister medical procedures included residents of Staten Island’s infamous Willowbrook State School http://www.silive.com/northshore/index.ssf/2011/03/victims_of_sinister_medical_pr.html

Medical Ethics Text: http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/SocialSciences/ppecorino/MEDICAL_ETHICS_TEXT/Chapter_7_Human_Experimentation/Case_Study_Willowbrook_Experiments.htm

“Mentally retarded children housed at the Willowbrook State School in Staten Island, New York, were intentionally given hepatitis in an attempt to track the development of the viral infection. The study began in 1956 and lasted for 14 years.

The researcher also wanted to determine the effectiveness of gamma globulin injections as protection against hepatitis.  They justified their deliberate infections and exposures by claiming that given that there was a high rate of infection in the institution it was practically inevitable that the children would become infected.”

 

Number 12: The 1933 Reichstag terror attack…A Nazi false flag attack

“There is enough evidence to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that it was the Nazis who planned the arson and carried it out for their own political ends.” -Shirer, William (2011). The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Simon and Schuster. p. 192.

Sunday Telegraph:  Historians find ‘proof’ that Nazis burnt Reichstag http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/1310995/Historians-find-proof-that-Nazis-burnt-Reichstag.html

 

Number 13: The Monster Study

Monster Study – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_Study

The New York Times: The Stuttering Doctor’s ‘Monster Study’

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/16/magazine/the-stuttering-doctor-s-monster-study.html

 

Number 14: Animal Spies

Smithsonian: The CIA’s Most Highly-Trained Spies Weren’t Even Human As a former trainer reveals, the U.S. government deployed nonhuman operatives—ravens, pigeons, even cats—to spy on cold war adversaries https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-cias-most-highly-trained-spies-werent-even-human-20149/

The CIA’s bizarre attempts to use animals as spies during the Cold War era http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2439884/CIAs-bizarre-attempts-use-animals-spies-Cold-War-era.html#ixzz5366UmQYg

 

Number 15: The Duplessis Orphans 

Duplessis Orphans – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplessis_Orphans

The Duplessis Orphans – CBC Archives – CBC.ca http://www.cbc.ca/archives/topic/the-duplessis-orphans

 

Number 16: Operation Gladio

Operation Gladio – Wikispooks https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio

The Black Vault – Operation Gladio (Declassified documents) http://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/operation-gladio/

NATO’s Secret Armies. Operation GLADIO and the Strategy of Tension https://www.globalresearch.ca/natos-secret-armies-operation-gladio-and-the-strategy-of-tension/5500132

 

Number 17: The Guatemalan syphilis experiment

Wikipedia: Guatemala syphilis experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala_syphilis_experiment

The Guatemala syphilis experiment and medical ethics in science-based medicine https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-guatemalan-syphilis-experiment-and-medical-ethics/

 

Thanks for listening/reading/watching!

James Morcan

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Dear Undergrounders

Our Underground Knowledge discussion group on the popular readers and authors’ site Goodreads.com  now has about 1,390 members, aka Undergrounders. Thanks to everyone who has joined lately.

This global discussion forum was designed to encourage debates about underreported issues of our era. We trust you’ll agree it’s unique and provides a platform for those who don’t normally have a voice.

If you see value in the group, please consider inviting your friends to join via this link: https://www.goodreads.com/group/invit…

VIDEOS:
We now have over 100 videos listed on the group which all contain little known facts and/or controversial theories: https://www.goodreads.com/group/14230…

Alien Abduction and Extraterrestrial Human Hybrids with Dr. David M. Jacobs

This week’s video pick:

Alien Abduction & Extraterrestrial Human Hybrids -Dr. David M. Jacobs

UNDERGROUND AUTHORS:
As many readers like to discover new authors over the holiday season, I thought I’d introduce a selection of authors who are Underground Knowledge members:

Award-winning journalist and Pulitzer Prize nominated author Gerald Posner: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show… Gerald’s recently published God’s Bankers: A History of Money and Power at the Vatican is well worth a read.

God's Bankers: A History of Money and Power at the Vatican

Sibel Edmonds (AKA ‘The most classified woman in U.S. history’): https://www.goodreads.com/author/show… Sibel has written some brilliant whistleblowing books, both in non-fiction and fiction.

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British author/poet (and honorary Undergrounder!) Harry Whitewolf: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show… I’ve read/reviewed all of Harry’s books and rated them all 4-5 stars, including the wild The Road To Purification: Hustlers, Hassles & Hash, which I recently announced as My favorite book of 2015.

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Dr. Kevin Coleman and his wife Flavia Ursino have written the intriguing medical romance-thriller novel Monkey Business: A Story of Soulmates and Primates which I’m reading now and enjoying: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2…

I’m also currently reading a great non-fiction book for radical thinking by Boston-based philosopher Arthur D. Schwartz, titled Ethical Empowerment: Virtue Beyond the Paradigms: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1…

Former journalist and military Martin Roy Hill is the prolific and award-winning author of mystery thrillers & science fiction: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show…

Aussie medical intuitive Carmel Bell chronicles her Near Death Experience in the thought-provoking When All Else Fails (which I gave a 5 star rating): https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8…

US neurologist and novelist Stephen Martino’s debut is the well-reviewed The New Reality: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2… Stephen is soon to publish The Hidden Reality, his second book in his sci-fi series.

Nik Krasno fled his native Soviet Union and immigrated to Israel where he became a lawyer and author. Check out his exciting ‘Oligarch series’ which is partly based on real corruption and crime in the former USSR and modern-day Russia: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show…

Another Israeli author is Dov Ivry, a former Canadian journalist who migrated to Israel and now writes books (42 different titles and counting!) on all manner of controversial subjects: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show…

US veteran, former police officer, and special-education teacher Dennis Nappi II appears to be writing some unique books about the human condition & alternative history … I for one am looking forward to reading them soon: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show…

UCLA fiction writing teacher Tantra Bensko has some intriguing neo-noir and psychological suspense novels available: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show…

British author Tim Pyke published his debut novel, the profound spiritual adventure The Wheels of Samsara earlier this year: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2…

Chinese activist Soleilmavis Liu has some unique books on mind control and little-known Chinese history: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show…

Rupert Dreyfus is a fairly new novelist on the scene who is garnering some attention and who the Morning Star called “an authentic and vital writer”. Rupert is a rebel who takes cynical swipes at the establishment at every opportunity! https://www.goodreads.com/author/show…

K.P. Merriweather writes in the in fantasy, science fiction, and psychological thriller genres: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show…

English journalist, traveller and climate-change researcher Mike Robbins has a series of fiction and non-fiction books out including his latest release Dog! which sounds really funny: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show…

Cortina Jackson’s conspiracy-thriller On Earth As It Is In Hell is a far out novel: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2…

Rebecca Gransden’s debut novel anemogram has been described as an “indie gem” and a “literary masterpiece” – check out this mystery story: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2…

Paul Howsley writes contemporary, speculative, and dystopian fiction primarily about social justice and equality – check out his debut novel The Year of the Badgers: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2…

Mikhayla Gracey writes about the history of mind control and those who target children: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show…

Erma I Talamante recently published ‘The Companion’, the first book in a new dystopian series, ‘Electric Sheep’: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2…

And finally, there’s my co-writer Lance Morcan and myself and our non-fiction series (7 books so far and counting) aptly titled Underground Knowledge: https://www.goodreads.com/series/1425… This series discloses more than a few secrets, if I do say so myself!

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Oh, and if you’re still unsure what the hell this group is all about, then have a read of this intro post: What is “underground knowledge” and why is it important? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

Have a great holiday season, everybody…and all the best for 2016!

Until next time: be seein’ you in the “underground” 😉

James

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America’s Military Industrial Complex has taken the US in the exact opposite direction to the nation’s Founding Fathers’ orginal vision. This according to a commentary posted in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ group on Goodreads.com by co-moderator James Morcan.

 

James Morcan

James Morcan…”People need to get real.”

 

James’ commentary reads as follows:

I honestly feel the Military Industrial Complex has taken the US in the exact opposite direction to the original vision for America the nation’s Founding Fathers laid out…It’s an out of control entity that is single handedly destroying the US (economically and morally) in my view.

This is beyond dated ideas of Left or Right politics, and honestly there are as many Republicans/Patriots that no longer have any faith in the military’s ethics.

Vietnam veteran and Oscar-winning filmmaker Oliver Stone says the Military Industrial Complex is essentially a separate country to the US with virtually no interests that align with America’s interests and I’ve gotta agree with him there.

Many other insiders and whistleblowers have expressed the same opinion. For example, Underground Knowledge member Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI employee turned whistleblower, is one of numerous ex-intelligence agency employees who say these post 9/11 wars are being engineered by warmongers who are bankrupting the US in the process.

By causing all these wars or foreign invasions, the Military Industrial Complex is surely an entity that must be a thousand times bigger threat to the West’s freedom than any little outside threat such as Islamic desert nomads or cave dwellers are…Muslim extremists (a tiny percentage of the Islamic world) ain’t ever going to threaten the might of the American empire any more than the Domino Theory even got close to occurring when Vietnam fell and became entirely Communist (a long-held prediction by warmongers like MacArthur that proved to be woefully inaccurate). The US empire is arguably the most dominant in history and believing Islamic terrorists could ever be a threat would be equivalent to saying the small Jewish community at the time of Christ could overthrow Rome…

And I’m not ignoring terrorism or romanticizing the religion of Islam, but people need to get real about it.

Even if 9/11 was solely caused by terrorists with no assistance from rogue elements in the US Govt, which is a very big IF in my opinion, it still doesn’t amount to much overall. Especially as there’s been no other terrorist strikes of that magnitude since on US soil or anywhere else in the West.

I’m not some foreigner criticizing America for the sake of it by the way, but rather I’m someone who actually feels American in spirit and have also lived in the US and believe the foundations of America and the Constitution are by far the greatest construction of any nation in history. So I feel sad by what’s happened in recent decades. America can be, like it used to be, the light for the world that every other nation can aspire to be like in terms of civil liberties and equality for all citizens.

It’s also a shame that many foreigners when they now think of America now only think of a big, ugly fascist bully dominating and invading weaker nations. And that again is very sad as America once solely stood for freedom and the Founding Fathers also spoke of liberty for all other nations, not just America’s freedom. That Good Samaritan reputation has long since faded.

Whenever I come across people hating on America when I travel, I always try to explain to these people that there’s a massive difference between recent warmongering US administrations and the American people. I’ve been the recipient of a lot of goodwill from Americans, especially in my main career as a filmmaker, and I realize it’s not just foreign countries that have been screwed by the military but it’s also the American taxpayers as well.

 

To view all the comments in our Underground Knowledge group to to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2288568-the-us-military-industrial-complex-vs-the-american-people

 

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Two thirds of respondents in the latest poll in our Underground Knowledge discussion group on Goodreads.com state they don’t believe the official 9/11 story that World Trade Center 7 (aka Building 7) collapsed solely as a result of fires.

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The poll, which ends April 3rd, poses the following question: Do you believe World Trade Center 7 (aka Building 7), which no plane hit on 9/11, collapsed solely due to fires as per the official story?

Interim results are: 67% say No; 19% say Yes; 14% are unsure.

This comment from one respondent is typical of most received to date: “There’s no doubt in my mind that Building 7 was all part of the plan to make it look like a terrorist attack. Big buildings like that don’t just collapse unless explosives are set in just the right places to cause a controlled implosion.”

More comments follow:

I don’t think many people even know about Bldg 7 – which just goes to show you how they quickly controlled the media and everything to hide the obvious.

 

I recall a firefighter saying he heard the owner of the building saying to “pull it”. Soon afterward, the building collapsed. The term “pull it” is often used as a demolition term, meaning to activate the explosives to bring a building down.

 

The mysterious collapse of World Trade Center 7 on 9/11 — Governor Jesse Ventura investigates (video) https://www.goodreads.com/videos/7299… Jesse Ventura, the 38th Governor of Minnesota, investigates the bizarre collapse of Building 7 on 9/11.

 

I believe it was all designed to bring in the anti-terrorism laws that have since stripped the American people of most of their rights and freedoms. Something the Canadian government is trying to bring about too now.

 

I heard Building 7 was not even investigated in the government’s official 9/11 investigation (which many say had as much credibility as the Warren Commission…)

 

A man in the UK successfully defended his non-payment of the TV licence by claiming that the BBC knew about WTC 7’s collapse about 20 minutes before it actually did, that they denied this fact, and therefore they were part of the terrorist plot, and his payment of the licence fee would in effect mean that he was providing aid to a terrorist group.

 

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to our Underground Knowledge group poll at: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

 

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An article originally published by Global Research in 2005, shedding light on the nature of the terrorist organization Al Qaeda, has prompted a timely debate in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com – timely in view of the havoc ISIS are currently wreaking.

The article points to Al Qaeda being an intelligence construct used by Washington to destabilize and destroy sovereign countries, while sustaining the illusion of an outside enemy threatening the security of the Western World.

Al Qaeda and Taliban Uniting With Pakistani Terrorists Against U.S. in Afghanistan

Al Qaeda members pictured with Pakistani Taliban.

 

Brief excerpts from the Global Research article follow:

Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan.

Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence. “I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .

“The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the ‘TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money…”

 

Here’s a random selection of comments from ‘Underground Knowledge’ group members (names withheld) in response to the above article:

That should be a must read! Especially with what’s going on right now in Syria/Iraq et al. ISIS, ISIL, IS… Al Queada… The ‘enemy’ keeps changing. The ‘enemy’s’ name and location keeps changing. We’re getting more and more used to a war that doesn’t really bother a lot of the West, when the video of someone’s cat on YouTube is more important. You have all read 1984, right?

 

It seems like once the media repeats the names and evil intentions of these often-fabricated organizations enough times, the masses believe it and nobody (not even investigative journalists) researches the true origins of these groups.

 

Yes it’s all BS. Believe exactly 0% of what the main stream media and the government says…0%

 

This story is just one of numerous pieces of evidence pointing toward Al Qaeda being created in the West (specifically in New York, actually). And when all those evidences are added up, it equates to an absolute fact that Al Qaeda was yet another fabricated enemy we built in the US for sinister purposes. And yet now there’s a new enemy in ISIS and still people never study history before reacting to the exact things in the present that the globalists want us to react to.

 

RT have reported on the FBI inventing terrorists. Apparently, since 9/11, only 11 cases of ‘terrorist arrests’ posed a “potentially significant” threat to the United States. The rest of ’em are pretty much FBI entrapments to make the threat of terrorism on home ground look more worrying that it is.

 

I often wonder what other trouble the US causes…because they want to then turn around and be the heroes and “save” the world! The US, unfortunately, has a reputation for instigating problems, and then standing back and watching everything unfold. Then when it all goes to shit…

 

Agreed, because it’s to the detriment of the American people that so much of the annual US budget is being spent on foreign policy and military expenditure – and so little on The People…

 

ISIS allegedly just burned to death a Jordanian pilot, but even someone slightly educated about Islam would know that there are several hadith that strongly & specifically forbid execution by burning & it is strictly forbidden in Islamic law.

 

Ignorance is a problem indeed. And such infiltration and entrapment seems to be rife not only amongst Muslim groups, but with all sorts of protest groups as well, as you probably know.

 

To view all the comments on this hot topic, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2028159-evidence-to-suggest-al-qaeda-was-created-in-the-west

 

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Our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group is aimed at those with an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times.

Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind. Our members include scientists, teachers, historians, authors, intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students and many more.

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Our latest ‘Underground Knowledge’ group poll on the popular literary site Goodreads.com has taken an interesting turn with one of our Muslim members adding to the discussion.

Goodreads: Book reviews, recommendations, and discussion

The poll simply asks: Do you believe in God? Results remain largely unchanged since our last poll update with 71% of poll respondents saying Yes (I believe in God); 16% saying No (I am an atheist); and 13% saying Undecided (I am an agnostic).

Our Muslim member, whom we shall call “Aabid” for the sake of this post, comments as follows:

 I am a believer, I believr in God, Allah, and I would like to point out that Muhammad Peace be upon him, is the a prophet and messenger of God, he’s a person just like all human beings, and in Islam, he’s Not considered a God, God is the Great Creator of the universe, the ultimate power and mighty of all, so please if you’re not a believer don’t be offensive to other religions, Islam Christianity Judasim Pagan or all, please dig things up before you say anything, just like I respect all of your opinions.  

Further random comments follow from other poll respondents (names withheld):

Aabid, finally! It’s nice to have a Muslim member commenting as there have been a lot of ill-informed comments about Islam in various posts (just as there are a lot of ill-informed comments in the media about your religion) so it’s great that you have joined the group. I look forward to reading more of your comments.

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I actually find it incredible that the media has managed to blur people’s opinions, and logic, of Islam and Islamic State etc. We’re on dangerous ground when it comes to confusing someone’s religion with others’ terrorist political religious views. (Especially when Islam and Christianity, along with Judaism of course, are from the same root)…And, oh…. how many examples there have been throughout history, especially with Christianity…

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Stop tarring all with the same brush. Think it through. It’s pretty damn easy to see that terrorism and Islam are two completely different things. And yet, I still feel the need to point it out because people are being brainwashed by the media. Look at who funds both sides of this new world war. That’s who the enemy is. Look at your own governments and ask: “Was it something we did?” You’ll soon find out, hell yes, it was. They’re fighting the West for a reason. You wanna stop the increasing war? Start by changing your own country’s philosophy and start asking: “What can we do to HELP this situation?”

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There are also elements of Islam I disagree with. But I just feel Muslims are being misrepresented in Western media. And moderate Muslims (the vast majority) are paying the price for extreme zealots (small minority).

 

Aabid summarizes the sentiments of most poll respondents to date with the following comment:

…Loving the spirit in this poll by the way.

 

To view the comments of all poll respondents, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

Poll ends January 26.

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Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind. Our members include scientists, teachers, historians, authors, intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students and many more.

Visit the group at: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

 

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A discussion thread titled “War, what is it good for? Absolutely nuthin!” on our Underground Knowledge group on Goodreads.com has prompted an outpouring of anti-war comment, the overwhelming concensus being that war is, indeed, good for absolutely nuthin.

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The discussion was prompted by publication of an excerpt from our book THE ORPHAN CONSPIRACIES. It was lifted from a chapter titled ‘False flag operations’ and reads as follows:

According to our research, WW2 was one of the last legitimate wars. Legitimate in that there was probably no other alternative but war. Nearly all other wars since – especially the Gulf Wars, Vietnam, The Falklands War and the various Afghan wars – have simply been money-spinners spawned by the fear of fabricated enemies or at least unproven enemies.

This all leads to other questions.

Were communists ever a valid threat? When the US pulled out of Vietnam, why didn’t the much hyped Domino Theory ever occur? Why weren’t most other Asian countries overrun by communism as this theory stated was inevitable?

Is it realistic to have a war on ‘terror’ instead of a conventional war against a recognizable nation or group of nations? Can bearded nomads living in caves in Afghanistan or Pakistan really be a genuine threat to superpowers? And can isolated and impoverished nations like North Korea prevent world peace if the rest of the world wants peace?

Would North Korean president Kim Jong-un actually order his military to fire nuclear weapons and incite war? If so, what would be in it for North Korea when they’d obviously be committing suicide by inviting the rest of the world to immediately invade them? Can a leader of any nation really be that stupid?

 

A random selection of some of the more interesting responses from group members follow. (Names withheld):

Some conflicts/wars I believe are a necessary evil – a terrible waste and disgraceful but if you lived in Africa wouldn’t you want someone to help you. There in lies your argument who decides where we go to war and where we ignore?

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I’d replace the word ‘country’ with ‘government’. That’s the biggest con of all- this belief that we’re all countries of people starting and fighting wars, when it’s always been the top elite (government, royalty…) creating those wars. And in today’s age especially, the vast amount of people in the world want peace. It’s the governments that make those decisions, not the people.

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Somewhere along the way the US was hijacked by elitists and American values were discarded.

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War is often propaganda-dly sold to us with fear.

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All we’ve got to do is defend rather than invade. It’s effing simple.

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At the beginning of the “War on Terror,” here in New Mexico I was shocked and awed to see so many American flags erected on private properties as well as a popular bumper sticker which said; “SUPPORT OUR TROOPS,” which really meant “SUPPORT OUR WAR.”

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There used to a sarcastic slogan back in the 60’s; “Sure its a dirty little war. But its the only one we’ve got.”

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Fighting just creates more fighting; its an endless loop in human history that will never cease until we go about things another way.

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If we don’t work for those in power… if we don’t pay those in power, they’re stuffed. But it’ll take a huge amount of people, including people in politics, armed forces, police forces… to come together to change the world.

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History strongly suggests that the human story is the story of wars and dominance. So, to escape all that has gone before, it seems necessary to do something new; a miracle, if you will. Its hard to keep believing in the face of reality.

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ISIS seems like yet another fabricated enemy ala Al Qaeda. And indeed there is already much evidence to support this theory.

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There have always been evil doers…terrorists, dictators, are all over the show – yet for some reason we always inflate the Middle Eastern ones and under-report other ones…5 million people have been killed in the Congo (formerly Zaire) in the last 10 years plus 1 million women have been raped. But no Western country wants to invade The Congo and try to do the right thing.

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Trying to achieve peace by one more war is like saying terrorists can be defeated by terrorizing other nations in the charade they call the War on Terror…For me, Jim Morrison said it best when he sung “They got the guns, but we got the numbers.”… It’s similar to what Gandhi said during the time of the British Raj: “100,000 Englishmen simply cannot control 350 million Indians, if those Indians refuse to cooperate.”

 

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