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Undergrounders, or members, in our Underground Knowledge global discussion group on Goodreads, are speculating whether the Islamic State (IS/ISIS) is another invention of the West.

 

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ISIS terrorists…Their reason for being now questioned.

 

Unsurprisingly, this discussion thread is one of the most active in the group.

Here’s what some of our members are saying:

I’m from the Middle East. Many people in that region believe in the conspiracy theories which holds the west the responsibility for ISIS’s rise. Unfortunately half the conspiracy theories could be true. I have no doubt that the main bulk of ISIS comes from a minority of religious extremes who believe in the idea of martyrdom and apocalypse. Most of those religious fanatics are not local to Iraq and Syria but came from other countries around the world to fight there. Having said that, I believe that some western powers contributed passively and actively in the process of ISIS making… If you track who would benefit from instigating wars in 3rd world countries I’m sure you can trace it back to large oil and weapon companies. Through these wars they maintain their business.

and I would add to the list mining companies, Big Pharma companies and those corporations like Halliburton who do the rebuilding contracts after our (Western) nations blow these countries up! The whole charade of “fighting for peace” would be hilarious if it wasn’t for the fact that innocent people are dying.

Money, Blood and God: Who Funds Terrorism? https://www.goodreads.com/videos/9797… Tagline for the above video: It’s no secret that religious extremists in the Middle East use kidnapping and robbery to generate income — but they have investors as well. And, though you might not hear it in the news, many of these investors are US allies.

BREAKING: Putin Reveals ISIS Funded by 40 Countries, Including G20 Members — http://themindunleashed.org/2015/11/b

What with this, plus Russia’s supposed coming out with 9/11 inside job details, and the fact Russia have just been bombing the shit out of hospitals in Syria and ‘the west’ retaliating in response, and not to mention that the Russian P.M said this week we were heading for a new cold war… I have a bad feeling the shit’s really gonna hit the fan this year between Russia and ‘the west’…

I tend to agree with the “false flag” interpretation. I have heard another news clip (yet to be verified as true) that Trump has ordered further bombing of the Syrian army who were heading towards eastern Syria, where ISIS is. If true, this is more than deplorable.

Suggest you guys read up on the White Widow, married to the 7/7 bus bomber who was killed. Although there was a warrant out for her, the UK Home Office issued her a new UK passport a month after the bombing, she flew to JHB… Then she pops up training ISIS female fighters, then Ukraine. Who was she working for????

Some very interesting articles in this link, just arrived in my inbox! http://globalresearch.us11.list-manag

‘CIA and Mossad created ISIS’, says Julian Assange as Wikileaks releases 500k US cables http://www.awdnews.com/index/cia-moss

America Created Al-Qaeda and the ISIS Terror Group – Global Research https://www.globalresearch.ca/america

 

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2094848-is-the-islamic-state-is-isis-another-invention-of-the-west?page=1

 

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Running hot in our Underground Knowledge discussion group on Goodreads.com  is a video-taped interview with Syrian-Australian blogger Maram Susli, who goes by Mimi Al Laham, or “Syrian Girl”. In it, she  discusses who might be behind the bizarre new staged  ISIS beheading video and why a group known for its barbarity would need to fake executions at all. Her video, which has gone viral on YouTube, can be viewed at https://www.goodreads.com/videos/91200-syrian-girl-who-s-behind-the-weird-staged-isis-beheading-videos

She has been labelled a pro-Bashar al-Assad mouthpiece and a Kim Kardashian wannabe

Syrian Girl speaks out on those “staged” ISIS beheadings.

An October 21 report on the Daily Mail’s MailOnline  news site introduces Syrian Girl as “the internet sensation” and describes her as “a Kim Kardashian wannabe who fearlessly posts her views on ISIS, al-Assad, the US and the conflict that is destroying her homeland”.

The same report reads, in part, as follows: “Ms Susli says she speaks out on social media because she is dismayed by watching her birth country being destroyed. She is critical of Syrian rebels, ISIS and the United States. She wants to see Syria’s ‘army strong’ and its ‘borders solid’.

“ ‘People are dying, and I have a duty as a human being and as someone of Syrian origin to expose the truth about why,’ Ms Susli said.

“ ‘A duty to give a voice to those Syrians who have not been heard, who have rejected the instability caused by the US support of the extremist rebels…’ ”

The report continues, “Ms Susli is currently studying a postgraduate degree in Australia after completing a science degree with a double major in biophysics and chemistry.

“But she dedicates a large amount of time to blogging about her country of origin, which she has visited many times while living in Australia over the past two decades.

“ ‘Politics has been my passion even before the war in Syria, so it’s logical that when war began in the country of my birth, which I visit often and where my extend family reside, I’d be even more passionate,’ she said”.

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ISIS and the war on terror feature prominently in the ‘False flag operations‘ discussion threads in our Underground Knowledge group. To check these out go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/group_folder/241275?group_id=142309

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As membership of our fledgling ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on the popular literary site Goodreads.com  approaches 1200 – in fact it may have hit that milestone by the time you read this – one discussion thread is currently running hot. It’s simply titled: What is terrorism and who gets to define the term?

The discussion thread began with the following post from a member:

As a western woman, the definition of terrorism is something that fascinates me. I want to know if there is any valid, objective definition of terrorism.

I find it interesting that in media the choice of words is very selective. When someone here in (the) West barges into school and kills hundreds of innocent children, the news often comes out as ‘gunman massacred children at primary school’. I guess most would agree that this is a terrorist act but it is never labeled as an act of terrorism. So does it mean, an individual’s action cannot be deemed as such and for it to qualify the action must be carried out by an organised group?

Hate group is another (term) which I find very confusing. Are hate groups, terrorist groups too? KKK is often labeled as a hate group but in fact their actions were the same as any terrorist group.

If you have to ask someone to name a few terrorist groups you would like get ISIS/ISIL, Al Qaeda and Taliban as the answer. Most people wouldn’t even think of our North American grown KKK as a bunch of terrorists. Does it mean that for terrorism to qualify, a group has to be an alien agency threatening western democracies?

With the likes of Al Qaeda and more recently ISIS dominating world headlines, it’s not surprising our members (Undergrounders) are vocal on the subject. At least two and possibly more of our members are former intelligence agents. (In one case, the gentleman concerned is a Britt who worked for British intelligence and, on occasion, for the CIA). They have contributed to this discussion thread.

Member’s selected/abridged comments (abridged) follow:

When suicide bombers go in to a military congregation and blow up soldiers AND inadvertently kill nearby civilians, this is called “terrorism”. However, when the West uses drone strikes where terrorists have been reported to be, and inadvertently wipe out an entire hospital or school or village, this is called “collateral damage” or a “an unfortunate accident for which the White House sincerely apologizes for”.

Most ‘terrorist’ attacks are usually organised by the government or agencies as an excuse to change laws or go to war.

The lines blur with terms like terrorists and it often depends who is telling the story as to who the terrorists are… I would say the superpower nations are the biggest terrorists, especially if you do a body count of all their carnage around the planet in the last few decades.

When everything is leaked and Wikileaked, I do wonder who the history books will eventually record as being the biggest terrorists of the 21st Century.

Let’s make no mistake, the spoils of The War on Terror are most likely the biggest spoils of any war in history…

There is an old saying, “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”…In 1946, the Jewish Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem killing some 90 people. That was one of dozens of similar Irgun attacks. One of the Irgun leaders, Menachem Begin later became prime minister of Israel… It seems terrorism, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

Given that over 1,000,000 Muslims (and counting) have died at the hands of Western aggression in the West’s stated attempt to reduce terrorism, I wonder what the history books of the future will call the War on Terror?

So we can all agree Islamic terrorism is very real. Denying its existence would be foolish, not to mention ignoring the fact that the moderate sectors of the Muslim world (who despite what Western media implies, is the VAST majority of Islamic population) are constantly mentioning their desire for terrorism to end (albeit without more phony wars). So to be clear, I stand for peace and the betterment of all peoples whatever nationality or race. But in saying all that, assessing whether terrorism is the big global threat to civilization is really a case of the devil being in the detail…The fine print is where many of the arguments that pass for fact in our shoddy 21st Century media (e.g. terrorists are everywhere, there’s not enough wealth in the world, Third World countries have limited resources etc, etc) often do not stack up under close inspection.

To read all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2122895-what-is-terrorism-and-who-gets-to-define-the-term?page=1 

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Was Al Qaeda an intelligence construct used by Washington to destabilize and destroy sovereign countries while sustaining the illusion of an‘outside enemy’ that threatens the security of the Western World? That’s the assertion made in an article originally published by Global Research in 2005, shedding light on the nature of Al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda terrorists.

We ran the article in a discussion thread titled “Evidence to suggest Al Qaeda created in the West” in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on the popular literary site Goodreads.com.

As one member observes, “That should be a must read! Especially with what’s going on right now in Syria/Iraq et al. ISIS, ISIL, IS… Al Qaeda… The ‘enemy’ keeps changing. The ‘enemy’s’ name and location keeps changing. We’re getting more and more used to a war that doesn’t really bother a lot of the West, when the video of someone’s cat on YouTube is more important.”

Meanwhile, an interesting excerpt from the aforementioned article follows: “The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the ‘TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money.”

The article, which we ran in full, prompted a flurry of comment from members of our Underground Knowledge group.

A sample of those comments (names withheld) follows:

It seems like once the media repeats the names and evil intentions of these often-fabricated organizations enough times, the masses believe it and nobody (not even investigative journalists) researches the true origins of these groups.

 

Al Queada weren’t even ever mentioned in mainstream news (hardly) before 9/11, just as other groups that now spring up weren’t known about- but it’s a complex subject.

 

This story is just one of numerous pieces of evidence pointing toward Al Qaeda being created in the West (specifically in New York, actually). And when all those evidences are added up, it equates to an absolute fact that Al Qaeda was yet another fabricated enemy we built in the US for sinister purposes. And yet now there’s a new enemy in ISIS and still people never study history before reacting to the exact things in the present that the globalists want us to react to.

 

Bin Laden’s death highly suspicious in my opinion. Check out this post here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

 

What the truth is about Bin Laden’s alive or dead status is anyone’s guess, but there’s not a shadow of doubt in my mind that the official raid and quick burial was just utter bollocks. A classic example of where one country just feeds something to the news (their little cabaret act in Pakistan on video and mention of some undisclosed intelligence) and lo and behold, the press and subsequently the people take it as being true.

 

To view all the comments and/or to have your say go to our Underground Knowledge group’s discussion thread at: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2028159-evidence-to-suggest-al-qaeda-was-created-in-the-west

 

Related Underground Knowledge group threads that may also be of interest include:

What is a false flag attack?

Is the Islamic State (IS/ISIS) another invention of the West?

Was 9/11 a false flag attack and ‘Inside Job’? 62% of you voted YES

The US Military’s proposal to kill Americans

 

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An article originally published by Global Research in 2005, shedding light on the nature of the terrorist organization Al Qaeda, has prompted a timely debate in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com – timely in view of the havoc ISIS are currently wreaking.

The article points to Al Qaeda being an intelligence construct used by Washington to destabilize and destroy sovereign countries, while sustaining the illusion of an outside enemy threatening the security of the Western World.

Al Qaeda and Taliban Uniting With Pakistani Terrorists Against U.S. in Afghanistan

Al Qaeda members pictured with Pakistani Taliban.

 

Brief excerpts from the Global Research article follow:

Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan.

Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence. “I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .

“The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the ‘TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money…”

 

Here’s a random selection of comments from ‘Underground Knowledge’ group members (names withheld) in response to the above article:

That should be a must read! Especially with what’s going on right now in Syria/Iraq et al. ISIS, ISIL, IS… Al Queada… The ‘enemy’ keeps changing. The ‘enemy’s’ name and location keeps changing. We’re getting more and more used to a war that doesn’t really bother a lot of the West, when the video of someone’s cat on YouTube is more important. You have all read 1984, right?

 

It seems like once the media repeats the names and evil intentions of these often-fabricated organizations enough times, the masses believe it and nobody (not even investigative journalists) researches the true origins of these groups.

 

Yes it’s all BS. Believe exactly 0% of what the main stream media and the government says…0%

 

This story is just one of numerous pieces of evidence pointing toward Al Qaeda being created in the West (specifically in New York, actually). And when all those evidences are added up, it equates to an absolute fact that Al Qaeda was yet another fabricated enemy we built in the US for sinister purposes. And yet now there’s a new enemy in ISIS and still people never study history before reacting to the exact things in the present that the globalists want us to react to.

 

RT have reported on the FBI inventing terrorists. Apparently, since 9/11, only 11 cases of ‘terrorist arrests’ posed a “potentially significant” threat to the United States. The rest of ’em are pretty much FBI entrapments to make the threat of terrorism on home ground look more worrying that it is.

 

I often wonder what other trouble the US causes…because they want to then turn around and be the heroes and “save” the world! The US, unfortunately, has a reputation for instigating problems, and then standing back and watching everything unfold. Then when it all goes to shit…

 

Agreed, because it’s to the detriment of the American people that so much of the annual US budget is being spent on foreign policy and military expenditure – and so little on The People…

 

ISIS allegedly just burned to death a Jordanian pilot, but even someone slightly educated about Islam would know that there are several hadith that strongly & specifically forbid execution by burning & it is strictly forbidden in Islamic law.

 

Ignorance is a problem indeed. And such infiltration and entrapment seems to be rife not only amongst Muslim groups, but with all sorts of protest groups as well, as you probably know.

 

To view all the comments on this hot topic, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2028159-evidence-to-suggest-al-qaeda-was-created-in-the-west

 

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Our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group is aimed at those with an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times.

Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind. Our members include scientists, teachers, historians, authors, intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students and many more.

Visit the group at: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

 

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A discussion thread titled “War, what is it good for? Absolutely nuthin!” on our Underground Knowledge group on Goodreads.com has prompted an outpouring of anti-war comment, the overwhelming concensus being that war is, indeed, good for absolutely nuthin.

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The discussion was prompted by publication of an excerpt from our book THE ORPHAN CONSPIRACIES. It was lifted from a chapter titled ‘False flag operations’ and reads as follows:

According to our research, WW2 was one of the last legitimate wars. Legitimate in that there was probably no other alternative but war. Nearly all other wars since – especially the Gulf Wars, Vietnam, The Falklands War and the various Afghan wars – have simply been money-spinners spawned by the fear of fabricated enemies or at least unproven enemies.

This all leads to other questions.

Were communists ever a valid threat? When the US pulled out of Vietnam, why didn’t the much hyped Domino Theory ever occur? Why weren’t most other Asian countries overrun by communism as this theory stated was inevitable?

Is it realistic to have a war on ‘terror’ instead of a conventional war against a recognizable nation or group of nations? Can bearded nomads living in caves in Afghanistan or Pakistan really be a genuine threat to superpowers? And can isolated and impoverished nations like North Korea prevent world peace if the rest of the world wants peace?

Would North Korean president Kim Jong-un actually order his military to fire nuclear weapons and incite war? If so, what would be in it for North Korea when they’d obviously be committing suicide by inviting the rest of the world to immediately invade them? Can a leader of any nation really be that stupid?

 

A random selection of some of the more interesting responses from group members follow. (Names withheld):

Some conflicts/wars I believe are a necessary evil – a terrible waste and disgraceful but if you lived in Africa wouldn’t you want someone to help you. There in lies your argument who decides where we go to war and where we ignore?

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I’d replace the word ‘country’ with ‘government’. That’s the biggest con of all- this belief that we’re all countries of people starting and fighting wars, when it’s always been the top elite (government, royalty…) creating those wars. And in today’s age especially, the vast amount of people in the world want peace. It’s the governments that make those decisions, not the people.

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Somewhere along the way the US was hijacked by elitists and American values were discarded.

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War is often propaganda-dly sold to us with fear.

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All we’ve got to do is defend rather than invade. It’s effing simple.

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At the beginning of the “War on Terror,” here in New Mexico I was shocked and awed to see so many American flags erected on private properties as well as a popular bumper sticker which said; “SUPPORT OUR TROOPS,” which really meant “SUPPORT OUR WAR.”

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There used to a sarcastic slogan back in the 60’s; “Sure its a dirty little war. But its the only one we’ve got.”

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Fighting just creates more fighting; its an endless loop in human history that will never cease until we go about things another way.

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If we don’t work for those in power… if we don’t pay those in power, they’re stuffed. But it’ll take a huge amount of people, including people in politics, armed forces, police forces… to come together to change the world.

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History strongly suggests that the human story is the story of wars and dominance. So, to escape all that has gone before, it seems necessary to do something new; a miracle, if you will. Its hard to keep believing in the face of reality.

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ISIS seems like yet another fabricated enemy ala Al Qaeda. And indeed there is already much evidence to support this theory.

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There have always been evil doers…terrorists, dictators, are all over the show – yet for some reason we always inflate the Middle Eastern ones and under-report other ones…5 million people have been killed in the Congo (formerly Zaire) in the last 10 years plus 1 million women have been raped. But no Western country wants to invade The Congo and try to do the right thing.

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Trying to achieve peace by one more war is like saying terrorists can be defeated by terrorizing other nations in the charade they call the War on Terror…For me, Jim Morrison said it best when he sung “They got the guns, but we got the numbers.”… It’s similar to what Gandhi said during the time of the British Raj: “100,000 Englishmen simply cannot control 350 million Indians, if those Indians refuse to cooperate.”

 

The debate continues. To see all comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1953926-war-what-is-it-good-for-absolutely-nothin

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Our members include whistleblowers, scientists, historians, conspiracy theorists, students, authors, doctors, teachers, librarians and more.

To visit our Underground Knowledge group go to: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

 

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Membership of our new ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com has now topped 300, making it one of the fastest growing groups of its kind – if not the fastest – on the popular site.

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This group is open to everyone! All you need is an enquiring mind, an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times. Our members include scientists, historians, conspiracy theorists, students, authors, doctors and many more.

Links follow to some of our group’s more popular discussion threads:

We ask if the Islamic State (IS/ISIS) is another invention of the West. As one member of our group says, “The terms IS, ISIL, ISIS are obviously labels created by the west to identify the loose coalition of military groups rebelling against the Western occupation of Iraq which has taken foothold in Syria. So in this sense, it is an invention of the West.” To have your say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2094848-is-the-islamic-state-is-isis-another-invention-of-the-west

Al-Shabab: The Somalian terrorist group with Al Qaeda links, has seen four San Diego residents been arrested in the past month

Terrorists…yet another creation?

Are the rumors true that the CIA’s MK-Ultra mind control program continues, albeit under another codename – perhaps as a Black Op rather than a government-sanctioned project? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1953980-mk-ultra

MK-Ultra turning out real-life Manchurian Candidates?

What happened to Yamashita’s Gold? (The multi-trillion dollar WW2 cover-up). https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1955208-the-multi-trillion-dollar-ww2-cover-up

YamashitaTreasures

One of General Yamashita’s alleged trillion yen sites.

Weather modification and HAARP…weather research or weather manipulation? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1955376-weather-modification-and-haarp

HAARP…the subject of many a conspiracy theory.

America’s relationship with Royalty…Is every US President in history – right up to and including Obama – is related by blood to the Windsors? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1955455-america-s-relationship-with-royalty

Queen Elizabeth gets a hearty laugh from President Reagan., © Diana Walker, UT Center for American History

Queen Elizabeth and President Reagan.

Our recent poll asked: Do you believe Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman in the JFK assassination as per the US Government’s official story? 89% answered No.

Meanwhile, our latest poll asks: Do you believe the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election in which George W. Bush defeated Al Gore was a fair election or a fraudulent election? To date, 65% say Fraudulent with the balance evenly split between fair and undecided. https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

Al Gore, left, and George W. Bush are shown. | AP Photo

Gore and Bush…on campaign trail.

 

Our Underground Knowledge group is also for like-minded people to discuss the controversial topics explored in The Underground Knowledge series – of which the first book in that series is The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy. This non-fiction title was written by James Morcan & Lance Morcan with a foreword by leading scientist Dr. Takaaki Musha and an afterword by renowned historian Professor Richard Spence.

The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy

http://www.amazon.com/The-Orphan-Conspiracies-Conspiracy-Theories-ebook/dp/B00J4MPFT6/

To visit our Underground Knowledge group go to: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

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