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In our new book BANKRUPTING THE THIRD WORLD: How the Global Elite Drown Poor Nations in a Sea of Debt, we ask readers why peace in certain countries like Afghanistan, Iraq and the Democratic Republic of Congo is never achieved no matter how many thousands of international peacekeepers are sent. The answer, we suggest, may be that, despite appearances, the world’s powers-that-be don’t actually want peace in those countries to be achieved any time soon.

 

UN peacekeepers…A familiar sight around the world.

 

Bankrupting the Third World  is book six in our Underground Knowledge Series. Here’s a brief excerpt:

Engaging in diplomatic talks and sending in UN peacekeepers is just a farce, apparently. According to our research, it’s far more lucrative for the global elite to keep wars going so the invaders can plunder resources for as long as they can. If we are correct in this analysis, then maybe wars like Afghanistan, Iraq and Vietnam were not about winning, but something else. Something much more sinister.

 

Peacekeepers risking their lives…For what?

 

More than any other region on the planet, Africa is probably the best example of these vicious, imperialistic strategies. Unfortunately for Africa, it has many, many resources the outside world wants, needs and will kill to get its hands on. Resources like its vast water reserves, unlimited land, oil and precious metals such as gold, diamonds, cobalt and uranium to name a few. Not to mention the continent’s wildlife and cheap human labor.

 

Africans mining conflict minerals…a blight on Africa.

 

U2’s lead singer Bono possibly summarized it best in a 2004 speech he gave at the University of Pennsylvania when he said, “Africa needs justice as much as it needs charity.”

 

Bono…”Africa needs justice.”

 

“It’s an amazing thing to think that ours is the first generation in history that really can end extreme poverty, the kind that means a child dies for lack of food in its belly. That should be seen as the most incredible, historic opportunity but instead it’s become a millstone around our necks. We let our own pathetic excuses about how it’s difficult justify our own inaction. Be honest. We have the science, the technology, and the wealth. What we don’t have is the will, and that’s not a reason that history will accept.” –Bono, interview to the World Association of Newspapers for World Press Freedom Day. May 3, 2004.

T.B.C.

 

BANKRUPTING THE THIRD WORLD: How the Global Elite Drown Poor Nations in a Sea of Debt (The Underground Knowledge Series Book 6)

 

BANKRUPTING THE THIRD WORLD: How the Global Elite Drown Poor Nations in a Sea of Debt  is available exclusively via Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/BANKRUPTING-THE-THIRD-WORLD-Underground-ebook/dp/B0176UHWH0/  

 

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Interim results of the latest poll in our Underground Knowledge discussion group on Goodreads.com  show that most respondents believe citizens should not  have to pay for health care. 

In response to the question Do you think universal (free) health care should be provided to all citizens?  more than three-quarters of respondents to date answered in the affirmative.

Interim results show that 77% say YES, only 15% say NO, and 8% are UNSURE.

Poll respondents’ comments make for interesting reading. Here’s some of those comments:

The big problem here is not the insurance or mass healthcare systems, rather, it is the drug companies making bank off of human fraility. I am certain we have all heard of seniors in the US making trips to Canadia and Mexico (often illegally) to buy their medications just over the border because they cannot afford them here in the US.

I voted no because who is going to pay for it? Right now i am paying out the ass for my i nsurance and those too lazy to work or illegals. (Truly disabled people not included in this rant).    

That is the real problem. That is the real cost of healthcare. Medications. Prescriptions. And for what? It wouldn’t be so bad if that money funneled back into research, but it doesn’t. It pads pockets too far up the line to even make a difference to the end-user. THAT is the biggest atrocity with healthcare, and why people over a certain age are considered “too old” to receive treatments. It boils down to a cost/benefit analysis.   

Is there any reason not to help save people’s lives?   

Education and health care should both be free. That is the only way to have an equal opportunity regardless of income. Unfortunately, it is like feeding 30 people from your one rice bowl. All 30 starve, because the math doesn’t add up.   

Even though I am disabled and have been for a number of years, and pay nothing (now) for my health insurance I voted No. Because someway, somehow, someone is going to pay for the treatment and the “free” healthcare.

There is MORE THAN ENOUGH resources and public wealth available to cover all citizens who cannot afford healthcare. Period. To believe otherwise would be Myth #1 in my book.

“Unless you’re a Warren Buffet or Bill Gates, you’re one illness away from financial ruin in this country.” –Dr. Steffie Woolhandler

I recommend watching Michael Moore’s documentary on US healthcare called SICKO. You can watch a 2 minute trailer here: https://www.goodreads.com/videos/8381…
I thought Moore made some very good points in this documentary about the sorry state of America’s health system. 

The US can easily afford universal healthcare and various other social welfare investment just like the UK, Canada Australia and even Russia and China have, but it’s instead spending trillions annually on the Military Industrial Complex in all these silly “wars” e.g. The War on Terror (which nobody understands).

 

Poll ends March

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

 

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Beyond the official summaries of the world’s wealth, and how few control it, there is in our opinion a hidden system of finance, which, if one day proven, will show there is an even greater gap between the global elite and the rest.

We expand on this in our book INTERNATIONAL BANKSTER$: The Global Banking Elite Exposed and the Case for Restructuring Capitalism.

INTERNATIONAL BANKSTER$: The Global Banking Elite Exposed and the Case for Restructuring Capitalism (The Underground Knowledge Series Book 5) 

Here’s an excerpt from the book:

It’s generally accepted the world’s so-called ‘Rich Lists,’ from Forbes and the like, are not accurate in that their estimates of the Rich Listers’ wealth are just that – estimates. However, according to our research, the world’s wealthiest individuals don’t necessarily even make the lists.

It has been purported by financial researchers and others in the know that there are individuals whose net worth would dwarf whoever tops the Forbes Rich List at any given time – net worth the likes of Bill Gates, Warren Buffett or Carlos Slim Helu could only dream about.

This may be hard to fathom, but it’s important to consider two points when analyzing the finances of the global elite.

Firstly, without being able to inspect the bank accounts of billionaires, Forbes and similar Rich List publishers can only make crude guesstimates of individuals’ true worth. As a result, their lists are anything but official and their accuracy is questionable – something the billionaire community is quick to point out.

Secondly, beyond those individuals and sums mentioned on the Rich Lists, there exists what is often referred to as invisible or hidden wealth. This involves non-disclosed fortunes that are virtually impossible to detect. The planet’s invisible wealth is comprised of undeclared income stashed away in offshore tax havens and Swiss bank accounts, secret Old World money and black market economies in which criminal enterprises conduct their business.

The criminal enterprises referred to include illegal drugs and arms dealing. One such arms dealer is Saudi Arabian Adnan Khashoggi who some banking and financial commentators estimate had a massive personal fortune of between US$2 trillion and US$7 trillion in the 1980’s.

However, the world is still waiting for its first official trillionaire, and Khashoggi’s fortune was only ever estimated by Forbes and the likes to be worth between $400 million and several billion. If the rumors of Khashoggi’s multi-trillion dollar personal fortune were true then there’s an extremely wide gulf separating unofficial and official estimates of his wealth.

The 2005 feature film Lord of War, directed by Andrew Niccol and starring Nicolas Cage and Ethan Hawke, is said to have been inspired by Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout.

Primary image for Lord of War

Like Khashoggi, Bout is rumored to have amassed a huge personal fortune impossible to estimate. Cage’s character, a Ukranian-American arms dealer, is shown in the movie to be above the law with apparently unlimited money and resources.

The now deceased former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos is another individual strongly rumored to have profited from the black market. Many who investigated Marcos, including politicians in the current Philippine government, say much of his wealth was secured from discoveries of the WW2 Japanese treasure hoard known as Yamashita’s Gold. As the existence of those treasures was never acknowledged by any government, it’s conceivable President Marcos could have amassed a large fortune impossible to trace or estimate. Some investigators say his secret bank accounts amounted to trillions of dollars.

If this sounds totally unbelievable, consider the television interview his widowed wife Imelda Marcos gave in 2009 for the BBC TV travel series Explore. While being filmed inside her lavish home in the Philippines, Imelda told BBC presenter Simon Reeve that her late husband was heavily associated with gold mining companies and also traded in gold.

The former First Lady then presented Reeve with an official document. Although she would not allow the document itself to be filmed, Reeve confirmed it was a Certificate of Deposit made by Ferdinand E. Marcos in a bank in Brussels, Belgium, for the amount of Nine Hundred and Eighty Seven Billion United States Dollars. For those who don’t have a good math brain, that’s only 13 billion short of a trillion bucks.

If true, this sum in Marcos’ Belgium bank account alone would be almost 13 times more than Bill Gates’ total current fortune. The legacy of the former president becomes even more staggering when considering that this was just one of his bank accounts; the Philippine government has confirmed through investigations of its own that Marcos had many such secret accounts in banks all over the world.

T.B.C.

 

INTERNATIONAL BANKSTER$  is Book #5 in The Underground Knowledge Series  and is available exclusively via Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/INTERNATIONAL-BANKSTER-Restructuring-Capitalism-Underground-ebook/dp/B015QN5RTY/

  

http://www.amazon.com/INTERNATIONAL-BANKSTER-Restructuring-Capitalism-Underground-ebook/dp/B015QN5RTY/  

 

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Some observers claim the US Government is building underground cities in preparation for an imminent catastrophe. We investigate this in our new release book UNDERGROUND BASES: Subterranean Military Facilities and the Cities Beneath Our Feet.

 

Inside a mysterious underground facility in the Ozarks.

 

An excerpt from Underground Bases  follows:

Whether the elite believe the coming catastrophe will be some kind of nuclear apocalypse or a religious, Armageddon-type scenario, nobody knows. At least, nobody we know knows.

In episode 4 of the third TV season of Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura, former Minnesota Governor Ventura and his son Tyrel Ventura, along with Sean Stone, son of Oscar-winning filmmaker Oliver Stone, travel to the Ozarks, a mountainous region of the central United States, to investigate rumors of underground developments there. They find the entrance to what appears to be an underground city being built inside a mountain.

 

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Governor Ventura…outspoken. 

Despite heavy fortifications – and no doubt aided by Ventura’s status as former Governor of Minnesota – the team gain vehicular entry to the massive underground facility, which they discover covers an area of 50 square miles! As they drive around freely, they quickly deduce it is indeed an underground city in the making, complete with offices, warehouses, manufacturing plants, indoor farming facilities as well as stockpiles of food, water and crude oil.

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“It’s like they’ve got door-to-door transportation for the chosen few when it’s time to move inside and weld those doors shut. I don’t necessarily think it’d be a good place to live, but it would be a good place to survive.” -Jesse Ventura, from episode 4, season 3, of Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura.

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In an item dated November 27, 2012, Missouri television news channel KY3 reported that “According to multiple contentions made …on a cable television show, the Ozarks is about to become the center of what remains of human civilization.”

The show it referred to is Conspiracy Theory.

KY3’s report continues: “Mountain View, Arkansas was also featured in the production. The town’s “suspiciously large number” of banks was said to be serving as the repository of the wealth of those about to move to the Ozarks to survive the end of the world. An unusually large increase in the number of earthquakes was suspicioned to be the result of the construction of underground bunkers.”

The channel’s report, however, debunks Governor Ventura’s findings in the TV episode. You can draw your own conclusions.

One Missouri commentator reports, “The large underground structure being built just south of Springfield is said to be a private residence constructed for a billionaire corporate bigwig which will also serve as his corporate retreat/headquarters… There’s another underground storage facility in Branson, Missouri, a half hour from me. When you’re driving up the highway, off to your left you see a gravel parking lot and loading docks cut into the side of the cliff, several bays, going back into the mountain.”

The facility this commentator refers to is Pensmore, which, officially at least, is a mansion currently under construction in the Ozarks. According to Wikipedia, “When completed, the home will be the private residence of Steven T. Huff and his family” and “will be one of the largest private single-family residences in the United States.”…

…It’s worth noting some hardcore conspiracy theorists believe Pensmore will serve as the new White House “from which the Illuminati will rule the US!”

That aside, it’s worth asking the question: Why are so many billionaires privately building all these underground bunkers of late?

The same commentator who drew our attention to Pensmore alludes to the idea that the global elite may know of, or at least think they know of, a looming apocalyptic future. “I know that preppers come in all shapes and sizes and tax brackets, but even more than having the same fears and anxieties we all share at times combined with the financial wherewithal to actually do something substantial about it, perhaps they also are better informed than many of us. They might know what’s coming before it does, or are playing the odds, just in case.”

T.B.C.

 

UNDERGROUND BASES: Subterranean Military Facilities and the Cities Beneath Our Feet (The Underground Knowledge Series Book 7)

 

Underground Bases  is Bk #7 in The Underground Knowledge Series  and is available exclusively via Amazon:  http://www.amazon.com/UNDERGROUND-BASES-Subterranean-Facilities-Underground-ebook/dp/B0184KA4KS/

 

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Do you mostly use Mainstream Medicine or Alternative Medicine for your health? We put that question to members of our Underground Knowledge discussion group on Goodreads.com – and results to date show that many see merit in combining the two.

 

 

Interim poll results show that 36% of respondents mostly use mainstream medicine for their health; 35% use both mainstream and alternative; and 29% mostly use alternative medicine.

For clarity sake, we define mainstream medicine as a system in which medical doctors and other healthcare professionals (such as nurses, pharmacists, and therapists) treat symptoms and diseases using drugs, radiation, or surgery. Also called allopathic medicine, orthodox medicine, and Western medicine.

We define alternative medicine, also known as Complementary Medicine, as natural or traditional or native remedies. We also list the following examples of well-known alternative therapies: Acupressure, Acupuncture, Ayurvedic Medicine (more than 5,000 years old), Biofeedback, Bach Flower Remedies, Colon Therapy/Colonics, Chinese (Oriental) Medicine, Chiropractic, Osteopathy, Cupping (ancient Chinese medical technique), Craniosacral Therapy, Ear Candling, Electropathy, Fasting Therapy, Herbalism (one of most popular health systems worldwide), Hydrotherapy, Iridology, Magnetotherapy, Massage Therapy, Naturopathic Medicine, Vitamin Therapy, Yoga.

 

A random selection of poll respondents’ comments follow:

I mostly use alternative medicine but use all medical systems (including Western medicine), although avoid Big Pharma’s drugs like the plague and would only agree to surgery as a last resort.

The confusion about alternative medicine is that this one is efficient in certain areas and problems, but it is hard to identify the real cause of the healing when the healing process involves many substances, rituals, dancings, or massages in certain areas combined. And when you do not know the causes or how the system works, it is easy to invent and believe that there are chakras, body energies, magnetism and all sort of crap.

I’m not quite sure why we have to be fully for one or the other… Can we really make a decision or judgment based on such a vague premise? Much of Western medicine is great and much is not… the same goes for alternative medicine. It is impossible to stand for the entire array of medicine produced by western medicine or by the alternative route.

Biofeedack (a medicine I’ve also used with success) is generally listed as “complimentary medicine” or alternative, not generally used in mainstream medicine. It’s also often mocked by skeptics, as per this and other similar listings for biofeedback on skeptics forums: http://www.rationalskepticism.org/med…

Ironically, when someone will explain exactly how certain alternative medicine methods work, these will no longer be “alternative”, but “mainstream” (scientific). Until then, those who use alternative medicine are nothing more than voluntary guinea pigs.

…need to include the fact that what is often being called “science” to support a fair percentage of Western medicine is of course biased research funded by Big Pharma that aims for a specific outcome. And some of it is even anti-science in that it is not open to all possibilities (e.g. research that reveals this patented drug is not the best way to treat a specific illness will often be thrown out).

I wouldn’t personally say all elements of mainstream medicine must be scientifically proven. There’s lots of evidence of peer reviewed medical journals throwing out some studies and favoring others that fit their agenda. Pharma funds studies and makes sure the methods of testing and collecting evidence are biased. So sometimes science is proven and other times it’s fake science propping up medicines and practices.    

Each time in my life that I have been laid low and very ill it has been the alternative medicines / therapies which have given me back my life. I have gone to them out of frustration about our standard treatments.

 

Poll ends March 1.

 

To view all comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

 

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The latest poll in our Underground Knowledge discussion group on Goodreads.com, which asks “Do you believe euthanasia (voluntary assisted suicide) should be legalized?”, is proving predictably emotive.

 

 

Interim poll results show 66% say YES (euthanasia should be legalized); 19% say NO; and 15% are UNSURE.

Comments by Undergrounders (members of our Underground Knowledge group) reflect the ethical, legal and human dilemmas this issue poses.

A sample of poll respondents’ comments follows:

It is open to abuse but I do see the need for it in some cases. If a person asks to be released would you be willing to say yes or no?    

Yes and no – legalizing it opens up a number of benefits for people, but the chance for somebody to take advantage of the patients who want to die this way seems too much of an issue.

A relative is suffering a lot with bone cancer and maybe we should accept that she has the right to choose put an end on it (which is not permitted on my country).

Yes. Their life their choice.    

No. In Islam suicide is forbidden.    

I watched my husband go through over two years of pancreatic cancer reducing him to literally a shrunken skinned over bone person with a huge tumor growing in his middle. And yet, and yet, the will to live each remaining hour was still there. I suppose that if euthanasia was the request of the person when she/he reached a vegetative state would be alright IF the person consenting to it had power of attorney for health issues previously given, while sound of mind, would be okay. And yet, again, are we really to determine a natural part of existence? Would extreme pain, being totally immobilized in mind and body justify? Could I ask my children to bear the burden of such responsibility?

… this is a slippery slope, you may have hundreds of ppl who would kill people for money, saying they wanted me to kill them.     

It goes against my faith, as a Roman Catholic I’m supposed to believe all life is precious and only God should decide. I’m also a Registered Nurse who works with premature babies, some that should never have been submitted to such drastic life saving measures when less than 500 grams, and 23 weeks or less. This topic needs continued discussion and debate but I voted Yes.

It’s not okay to end your life because you are suffering, you never know what might happen next. Even the darkest night ends with dawn.    

I don’t see why if someone is in excruciating agony year after year with some terminal illness that they should not have the right to die early and end the extreme physical suffering if that’s what they want. After all, it’s their body and their life.

 

To view all comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

 

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Membership of our Underground Knowledge discussion group on Goodreads.com  has topped 1,500 surely making it one of the fastest-growing active groups on the extraordinarily popular international readers and authors book site.

 

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Designed to encourage debates about important and underreported issues of our era, the Underground Knowledge group has fostered discussion and debate on a host of topics — some of them taboo, many of them contentious and all of them interesting.

 

Links to a random selection of the group’s discussion threads follow: 

The Queen’s invisible riches

Mysterious Deaths

The price of a free media

Medical Industrial Complex

False flag operations

International banksters

Secret methods to increase IQ

The Fourth Reich

Mind control

UFOs / ETs / Area 51 / Roswell

Puppet masters & secret oaths

Fringe science

Bankrupting the Third World

Underground bases

Yamashita’s Gold (WW2 cover-up)

Secret prisons

Drug wars

The Catcher in the Rye enigma

 

We also have 600+ book titles listed under Alternative thinking books and we have some controversial videos listed under https://www.goodreads.com/group/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group/videos/list

Popular videos include Unlawful Killing — Banned Documentary on Princess Diana’s Death (FULL) and A concerned American citizen and mom fights for the rights of her fellow citizens

 

To join our Underground Knowledge group, all you need is an enquiring mind, an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or share “underground knowledge”.

>>> Check the group out at: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

Our members include scientists, social activists, teachers, historians, award-winning authors, former military and intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students, former police officers, journalists, readers and many more.

 

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Bernie Sanders is the preferred candidate by a country mile for the 2016 US Presidential Election if the interim result of our Underground Knowledge group’s latest poll, on Goodreads.com, is any guideline. And for any who question the acumen, intelligence or wherewithal of ‘Undergrounders’ (our name for the group’s members), please be advised they include include Pulitzer Prize nominees, New York Times  bestselling authors, internationally-renowned scientists, leading investigative journalists, economists and social activists, ex-CIA and MI6 intelligence agents-turned whistleblowers, historians, neuroscientists and former NASA engineers to name but a few. 

 

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Sanders…poll front-runner.

 

In response to the question Who would you like to see win the 2016 United States Presidential Election?  interim results are as follows:

Ben Carson  11.5%
 
NONE of the names on this list:  9.6%
Donald Trump  8.7%
Jeb Bush  4.8%
Rand Paul  2.9%
Ted Cruz  1.9%
Marco Rubio  1.0%
Joe Biden  1.0%
Al Gore  1.0%
Ralph Nader  1.0%
Scott Walker  0.0%
Jill Stein  0.0%
Sarah Palin  0.0%
Jeff Boss  0.0%
Jim Webb  0.0%
John Kasich  0.0%
Bobby Jindal  0.0%
Rick Perry  0.0%
Mitt Romney  0.0%
Jim Gilmore  0.0%
Our poll ends November 8.
To view poll respondents’ comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group
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The Underground Knowledge group is a global discussion group designed to encourage debates about important and underreported issues of our era. All you need is an enquiring mind, an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or share “underground knowledge.”

Check it out!

https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

 

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Those who have already read Bankrupting the Third World, our sixth book in The Underground Knowledge Series, will have picked up on the fact we believe world poverty can be fixed – and fixed quickly.

Just one of many starving children in war-torn Syria right now.

 

Here’s an excerpt from the book, which, hopefully, clarifies why we are so confident there is a quick fix for world poverty:

Some of you may be doubting our sanity about now. At the very least, you’ll be thinking we are underestimating the task at hand, and that poverty’s far too big a challenge to solve any time soon.

But consider this for a moment: the United Nations Development Program estimated in 1998 that it would only cost an additional US$40 billion above current aid payments at the time to completely eradicate poverty as we know it. This figure was broken down as per the following necessary (US dollar) payments: $13 billion extra for every person on Earth to have enough food as well as access to basic health care; an additional $12 billion to cover reproductive health for all women worldwide; $6 billion extra to provide basic education for all; and an additional $9 billion to provide clean water and sanitation for every man, woman and child on the planet.

Now that $40 billion figure was in 1998 dollars, of course, and the world’s biggest problems have arguably gotten worse since then. So let’s allow for inflation and let’s also assume the UN underestimated the amount required.

Let’s say $200 billion dollars, or five times what the UN estimated, is needed over and above current aid payments. To our eyes, that seems a small price to pay for what would undoubtedly be the greatest moment in human history.

Two hundred billion is also a fraction of the cost governments of major nations like China, the US, Russia and the UK each spend on their annual military budgets. By some estimates, the Afghanistan conflict alone has cost America more than a trillion dollars, with all wars since 9/11 said to have cost America several trillion dollars.

Unfortunately, waging wars is clearly a far bigger priority than ending poverty.

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“About 21,000 people die every day of hunger or hunger-related causes, according to the United Nations. This is one person every four seconds … Sadly, it is children who die most often. Yet there is plenty of food in the world for everyone. The problem is that hungry people are trapped in severe poverty. They lack the money to buy enough food to nourish themselves. Being constantly malnourished, they become weaker and often sick. This makes them increasingly less able to work, which then makes them even poorer and hungrier. This downward spiral often continues until death for them and their families.” –Official statement on the poverty.com website as at February 2014

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T.B.C

 

BANKRUPTING THE THIRD WORLD: How the Global Elite Drown Poor Nations in a Sea of Debt (The Underground Knowledge Series Book 6)

 

BANKRUPTING THE THIRD WORLD: How the Global Elite Drown Poor Nations in a Sea of Debt  is available exclusively via Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/BANKRUPTING-THE-THIRD-WORLD-Underground-ebook/dp/B0176UHWH0/  

 

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Do you believe the deaths at Jonestown were the result of suicides as per the official story or mass murder? That’s the question we put to members of the Underground Knowledge discussion group in our latest (continuing) poll on Goodreads.com

 

Bodies at Jonestown…mass murder or suicide?

 

Jonestown, of course, is the name synonymous with the mass deaths of the infamous (mainly American) Peoples Temple cult members in the jungles of Guyana. Since that dreadful event, in November, 1978, there has been considerable speculation on whether the deaths were suicide, as per the official story, or mass murder.

If ‘Undergrounders’ (group members) are correct, most believe it was mass murder. One compelling argument proffered to support this view is that many of the dead were children – and, of course, children don’t normally commit suicide, do they?

Interim poll results are:

63% believe the deaths were mass murder.

22% believe they were suicides.

15% are unsure.

 

A random selection of poll respondents’ comments follows:

Mass murder, because children don’t “choose” suicide. Men with guns stood around until everyone had drunk the poisoned cool aide. Then they either drank it, or ran away. But those few men, who held the rifles were both murderers and the only few who actually committed suicide.   

No way this is a conspiracy. Jones and his followers killed a US Congressman, panicked and drank Kool-Aid. End of story.

I would say…Mass Murder – MK Ultra Mind Control

How do we know that they were shot except for verbal statements? 

The Guyanese army, whose soldiers were among the first on the scene, reported only 408 Temple members had died by their own hand. Then the New York Times reported the actual number was around 500. US Military personnel arrived several days later and the body count quickly rose – from 700 to a final tally of 909. No official explanation was ever given for these differing body counts although one US official was quoted as saying, “Guyanese cannot count.”

 …it’s madness! So much death and many things that don’t make sense. It’s either religious fanatics/cult or a corrupt government to blame and we know which explanation we’d rather go with. I vote unsure on this.  

This is a hard one to decide on there are so many sides to what the truth is and everyone has a different story to tell.   

Neil Sanders does a pretty good job at listing all the anomalies in the official story, as well as all the CIA involvement in the cult before the deaths, in this video here: https://www.goodreads.com/videos/9605…

 

To see all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

Also, check out our Jonestown discussion thread here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/group…     

Poll ends January 10.

 

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