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Win a copy of ‘World Odyssey’ historical adventure paperback

Posted: July 28, 2016 in World Odyssey
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A free copy of our new release paperback WORLD ODYSSEY (The World Duology, #1)  goes to the winner of a giveaway competition now running on the literary site Goodreads.com.

 

World Odyssey (The World Duology Book 1)

Be in to win…a free copy.

 

Set in the Nineteenth Century, World Odyssey  follows the fortunes of three young travelers as each embarks on an epic journey. Their dramatic adventures span sixteen years and see them engage with Native American Indians, Barbary Coast pirates, Aborigines, Maoris and Pacific Islanders as they travel around the world – from America to Africa, from England to the Canary Islands, to Australia, New Zealand and Samoa.

Ambitious American adventurer Nathan Johnson’s journey begins when he runs away to sea to escape a violent father. After surviving a shipwreck and enslavement by one of the indigenous tribes of America’s northwest, his stocks rise and he becomes a successful trader. When Nathan decides to visit Fiji to trade muskets to the natives, he doesn’t know it but his fortunes are about to change again.

Sheltered English missionary Susannah Drake’s journey begins after she agrees to accompany her clergyman father to Fiji to help him run a mission station there. They endure a nightmare voyage they’re lucky to survive. When Susannah finds herself sexually attracted to a young crewmember, she is forced to choose between her forbidden desires and the life her father has mapped out for her.

Irrepressible Cockney Jack Halliday’s journey begins when he steals hemp from an unscrupulous employer who owes him outstanding wages. For this he’s sentenced to seven years’ hard labor in the British penal colony of New South Wales. Jack escapes to Fiji only to be tracked down by a bounty hunter employed by the British Government to round up escaped convicts.

After traveling thousands of miles and experiencing the best and worst that life can offer, these three disparate individuals eventually end up in the remote archipelago of Fiji, in the South Pacific, where their lives intersect.

The intrepid trio’s adventures continue in Fiji: A Novel (The Word Duology, #2).

 

To win a copy of World Odyssey  paperback go to the Goodreads page at: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20300866-world-odyssey

 

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US Presidential Election to fore in Underground Knowledge group on Amazon-owned site

Posted: July 16, 2016 in Underground Knowledge
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The 2016 US Presidential Election dominates Underground Knowledge group discussions on the popular Amazon-owned book lovers’ site Goodreads.com. Little wonder given the importance of the upcoming election and the media coverage afforded its main contenders.

 

Candidates Trump and Clinton draw flak from Underground Knowledge group members (aka Undergrounders) who voice their thoughts about the election in the discussion thread at https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/12042912-the-2016-u-s-presidential-election?page=1

 

However, the election isn’t the only discussion thread attracting members to this, one of the fastest growing groups on Goodreads.

Other popular Underground Knowledge group topics include:

Is the Islamic State (IS/ISIS) another invention of the West? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2094848-is-the-islamic-state-is-isis-another-invention-of-the-west

Vaccinating children — Is it the smart thing for parents to do? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2270994-vaccinating-children—-is-it-the-smart-thing-for-parents-to-do

Meditation, Yoga and intelligence. https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2084575-meditation-yoga-and-intelligence

Modern fascism (in our governments!) https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1956852-modern-fascism-in-our-governments

Satanic Elite Child Hunting Parties. https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2207736-satanic-elite-child-hunting-parties

What or who are aliens? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2137716-what-or-who-are-aliens

Universal income. https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/17903916-universal-income

Media manipulation. https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1957036-media-manipulation

Mysterious deaths > Princess Diana. https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1962418-princess-diana

 

Our polls are well patronized also. Check out our latest poll at https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group – It asks the question: What do you think should be done with repeat offender child molesters? Most respondents opt for castration for offenders. Feel free to add your vote. Poll ends soon.

 

To visit the Underground Knowledge discussion group, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

 

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Underground Knowledge group membership tops 2,000

Posted: June 4, 2016 in Underground Knowledge
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Another milestone has been passed this week with membership of our Underground Knowledge discussion group on Goodreads.com topping 2,000. Designed to encourage debates about important and underreported issues of our era, the group is attracting all sorts – from award winning authors, scientists, teachers and historians to former intelligence agents, journalists, students and everyday readers.

 

 

Undergrounders (members of the Underground Knowledge group) enjoy discussing the controversial and sometimes little known topics raised, participating in the ongoing and often controversial polls we run, viewing the always contentious videos on offer and having access to the 600 or so interesting underground knowledge books on our bookshelves.

Books on our bookshelves include:

Classified Woman

Classified Woman

by Sibel Edmonds

God's Bankers: A History of Money and Power at the Vatican

God’s Bankers: A History of Money and Power at the Vatican

by Gerald Posner

The Untold History of The United States

The Untold History of The United States

by Oliver Stone, Peter Kuznick

Factories of Death: Japanese Biological Warfare 1932-45 & the American Cover-up

Factories of Death: Japanese Biological Warfare…

by Sheldon H. Harris

Hidden Images: Games of Perception, Anamorphic Art, Illusion from the Renaissance to the Present

Hidden Images: Games of Perception, Anamorphic …

by Fred Leeman

 

Videos free-to-view include:

10 Disturbing 9/11 Facts

10 Disturbing 9/11 Facts
3 people liked it | 421 views

African shaman performing levitation?

African shaman performing levitation?

Up To 50 Books Were Left Out Of The Bible, Here's Why

Up To 50 Books Were Left Out Of The Bible, Here’s Why

Unsolved Mysteries - The Dyatlov Pass Incident

Unsolved Mysteries – The Dyatlov Pass Incident

Confessions of an Economic Hitman - John Perkins | Short Documentary

Confessions of an Economic Hitman – John Perkins | Short Documentary

Utah's Strategy for the Homeless...Give Them Homes!

Utah’s Strategy for the Homeless…Give Them Homes!

 

Discussion threads include:

The 2016 U.S. Presidential Election     

What is Terrorism and Who gets to define the term?

Vaccinating children — Is it the smart thing for parents to do?  

Was 9/11 a false flag attack and ‘Inside Job’? 54% of you voted YES

GMO’s (Genetically Modified Organisms)  

The US Military’s proposal to kill American civilians (Operation Northwoods declassified)

Finding (hiding) a cure for cancer  

Meditation, Yoga and intelligence

 

Our polls can be viewed at: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group  

Check out our current poll, which asks members: Do you believe abortion should be legal or illegal? (As at today, 76% of poll respondents say abortion should be legal.) You dear reader are free to have your say.

 

To visit the Underground Knowledge discussion group, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

 

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Underground Knowledge group members have their say on abortion… YOU are welcome to have YOUR say…

Posted: June 2, 2016 in Underground Knowledge
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In the latest poll in our Underground Knowledge discussion group on Goodreads.com, we ask members Do you believe abortion should be legal or illegal? Interim results show three-quarters of poll respondents say is it should be legal.

 

 

In posing the question, we asked members to discount extreme cases (like pregnancies resulting from incest or rape as well as mothers who are too sick to carry a child full-term) when casting their votes.

Interim poll results are as follows: 75% say abortion should be legal; 18% say it should be illegal; and 7% are undecided.

 

A selection of poll respondents’ comments follow:

The government should keep their laws out of my vagina. How i feel about abortions is my business.

It’s obviously a freedom of choice issue. There’s no other argument to be had.

Interesting topic that will surely bring out people’s gut feelings and strong emotions. I will simply post this amazing video that I saw just a few months ago: http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/stunning-v…

Here in the US, it doesn’t matter much what we think, the Supreme Court already affirmed it as a woman’s right. I myself am against it, but I’m not going to begrudge a woman who has to make that choice. Instead of trying to chip away at access, government’s focus should be on making sure these clinics are safe and regulated.

Hearing male legislators talk about “gifts” of rape and braying other truly ignorant positions, a woman’s right to choose has to be protected. When it comes to aborting a child because you want one of a different sex I do feel very uncomfortable. When it comes to abortion because of sex without care or caution of birth control, I do feel very uncomfortable.

Birth control can fail and if a woman can’t afford a baby she should have the choice to kick it back to stardust so it can reincarnate and be with a family who wants it.    

I think medical abortions are necessary for many reasons, but I do believe people need to take responsibility for the consequences of their sexuality by using birth control devices… Abortion is definitely a choice, a choice to terminate a life you created out of carelessness, be wise and and practice contraception with your partners. No excuses.    

Abortion is the premeditated murder of a new human son of God ! All the living components to make an ascending son of God are in the living sperm-living egg union! 

I do not like the idea of abortion or of suicide. While I have my preferences, I do not have the hubris to assume that my preferences gives me the right to determine actions that have nothing to do with me.

 

Poll ends June 30.

To view more comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

 

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Our Underground Knowledge discussion group is aimed at those with an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times.

Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind and a desire to learn. Our members include scientists, social activists, teachers, historians, authors, former military and intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students, former police officers, journalists, readers and many more.

Visit the Underground Knowledge discussion group at: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

 

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Underground Knowledge group poll result shows most against fluoride

Posted: April 17, 2016 in Underground Knowledge
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Most people don’t want the authorities to add fluoride to our water supply. That’s if interim results of the latest poll results in our Underground Knowledge group on Goodreads.com  are any guide.

In response to the question Do you believe fluoride should be in your town’s water supply?  more than two thirds of respondents say no.

Interim poll results are:

-67% of respondents say NO

-20% say YES

-13% are unsure.

 

 

Respondents’ comments make for interesting reading. Here’s some random examples:

I vote NO for the following reasons:
Harvard Study Confirms Fluoride Reduces Children’s IQ — http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-merc…
This pic lists some facts and theories concerning fluoride and how it apparently is detrimental to human’s health… https://www.goodreads.com/photo/group…
Tap water usually contains high levels of fluoride. Numerous studies have shown fluoride reduces IQ levels and in some cases even causes brain damage.

Fluoride has been considered a neurotoxin for some time now. I just pulled an older article: http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/na…

I can tell you that there’s no conspiracy, only stupidity. Cities take shortcuts and are under pressure to perform (in this case – provide safe water). Organic solutions like ozonation are cost prohibitive, and Fluoride effects are mild and subtle. But, there’s much worse crap in the water in cities, such as human waste, most importantly – diseases, prescription drugs, and many other nasties.

Very interesting question which prompted me to do a little more research on the matter. My initial reaction was an astounding, “Yes”, however, I now have to admit there has to be much more research beyond the Harvard study. To begin with, according to the Flouride Information Network, www.flourideinfo.org, Flouride is found naturally in water supplies coming from the rocks and sediment within those sources. The quantity can range fro 0.12 to over 12 parts per million. I was perusing several sites and came across this one, www.Openparachute.wordpress.coms. Here are a few points they raise about the studies, particularly the Harvard Study.

It’s worth pointing out the Harvard study is literally one of dozens of studies worldwide revealing links between fluoride consumption and low IQ’s in children (not to mention other adverse health effects).

I am unhappy with he Harvard study because (a) The levels of fluoride at times almost enter the toxicity zone, (b) other studies were excluded, but had they been included, the effect would have shrunk, (c) many of those included had other effects present, e.g. iodine deficiency, As, and in the coal-burning regions, there would be a number of other things present.

Mass medication via water is just plain wrong and stupid. Some people eat more foods that naturally contain fluoride. And kids need less than adults. 

 

Poll ends May 1.

To view all comments, or better still to have your say, go to:   https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

 

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Poll asks: Who really beat the Nazis? Most nominate the Soviets

Posted: March 21, 2016 in Underground Knowledge
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In the latest poll in our Underground Knowledge discussion group on Goodreads.com, we ask members Who was most responsible for defeating the Nazis? — and interim poll results show nearly two thirds of respondents (63%) nominate the Soviet Union ahead of the United States (20%) and Britain (17%).

 

 

Poll respondents’ comments make for interesting reading. Here’s a random sample:

When you consider just what the Soviet Union sacrificed to defy the Nazis, (out of the 60 million people who died in the war, 27 million were Soviets!), it’s hard to even consider the Nazis could have ever been defeated had the Soviets been neutral or sided against the Allies. Yes, America was crucial to winning the war also (and the US along with Britain made tremendous sacrifices too), but I think we’ve all been fed propaganda by Western historians to believe the US almost single-handedly won the war. In fact, I think it’s fair to say that the Allies wouldn’t have had a hope of even putting up much of a fight against the Nazis without the might of the Soviet Empire supporting them.

I totally agree. For all their faults, the Red Army won the war in Europe and was, according to some historians, also responsible for the Japanese surrender.

I think Great Britain, because they demoralised Germany and were fighting them on so many fronts. The number of human lives lost was not the deciding factor, so much as keeping Germany busy and too occupied to focus completely on one enemy at a time. 

The history as we (in the USSR) were taught unequivocally claims that USSR borne most of the fighting burden, while allies help was appreciated but was far from decisive, as they were not involved in the ground battles in Europe until less than a last year of WW2. Soviet historians claim that Western Front was opened as late as 1944, when it became clear that USSR had been coming out with the upper hand and would clearly defeat the Nazis and Russian army would sweep through Europe. By then the prospective victory of the Soviet Army was evident.

I’m not sure of the exact estimates but I recall that the Soviets destroyed (killed or captured) 90 per cent of the Nazi forces. It may be less but it certainly was well over 50 per cent. I think they destroyed much of their air force as well.    

Certainly the Soviets took heavy casualties, and I won’t doubt they might have been able to win without our help, but our eventual entry helped by splitting Germany’s forces. Hitler could not shift the bulk of his forces toward the East because of us just as he couldn’t throw them at us in the West because of the Soviet threat. As far as Britain, I’m not sure they could have defeated Hitler without the other two Allies, but they sure put up a hell of a fight before the US got involved.

Some insightful comments here; History is spun by the victors and it is different history in each nation…NOBODY wins by themselves, so that is the main lesson of history here. I would have liked to see Allies as a choice.

 

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to:  https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

Poll ends March 31.

 

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Goodreads.com group poll result supports the argument for universal health care

Posted: March 2, 2016 in Underground Knowledge
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Interim results of the latest poll in our Underground Knowledge discussion group on Goodreads.com  show that most respondents believe citizens should not  have to pay for health care. 

In response to the question Do you think universal (free) health care should be provided to all citizens?  more than three-quarters of respondents to date answered in the affirmative.

Interim results show that 77% say YES, only 15% say NO, and 8% are UNSURE.

Poll respondents’ comments make for interesting reading. Here’s some of those comments:

The big problem here is not the insurance or mass healthcare systems, rather, it is the drug companies making bank off of human fraility. I am certain we have all heard of seniors in the US making trips to Canadia and Mexico (often illegally) to buy their medications just over the border because they cannot afford them here in the US.

I voted no because who is going to pay for it? Right now i am paying out the ass for my i nsurance and those too lazy to work or illegals. (Truly disabled people not included in this rant).    

That is the real problem. That is the real cost of healthcare. Medications. Prescriptions. And for what? It wouldn’t be so bad if that money funneled back into research, but it doesn’t. It pads pockets too far up the line to even make a difference to the end-user. THAT is the biggest atrocity with healthcare, and why people over a certain age are considered “too old” to receive treatments. It boils down to a cost/benefit analysis.   

Is there any reason not to help save people’s lives?   

Education and health care should both be free. That is the only way to have an equal opportunity regardless of income. Unfortunately, it is like feeding 30 people from your one rice bowl. All 30 starve, because the math doesn’t add up.   

Even though I am disabled and have been for a number of years, and pay nothing (now) for my health insurance I voted No. Because someway, somehow, someone is going to pay for the treatment and the “free” healthcare.

There is MORE THAN ENOUGH resources and public wealth available to cover all citizens who cannot afford healthcare. Period. To believe otherwise would be Myth #1 in my book.

“Unless you’re a Warren Buffet or Bill Gates, you’re one illness away from financial ruin in this country.” –Dr. Steffie Woolhandler

I recommend watching Michael Moore’s documentary on US healthcare called SICKO. You can watch a 2 minute trailer here: https://www.goodreads.com/videos/8381…
I thought Moore made some very good points in this documentary about the sorry state of America’s health system. 

The US can easily afford universal healthcare and various other social welfare investment just like the UK, Canada Australia and even Russia and China have, but it’s instead spending trillions annually on the Military Industrial Complex in all these silly “wars” e.g. The War on Terror (which nobody understands).

 

Poll ends March

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

 

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Benefits of mainstream medicine vs. alternative medicine debated in latest Underground Knowledge group poll

Posted: February 14, 2016 in Underground Knowledge
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Do you mostly use Mainstream Medicine or Alternative Medicine for your health? We put that question to members of our Underground Knowledge discussion group on Goodreads.com – and results to date show that many see merit in combining the two.

 

 

Interim poll results show that 36% of respondents mostly use mainstream medicine for their health; 35% use both mainstream and alternative; and 29% mostly use alternative medicine.

For clarity sake, we define mainstream medicine as a system in which medical doctors and other healthcare professionals (such as nurses, pharmacists, and therapists) treat symptoms and diseases using drugs, radiation, or surgery. Also called allopathic medicine, orthodox medicine, and Western medicine.

We define alternative medicine, also known as Complementary Medicine, as natural or traditional or native remedies. We also list the following examples of well-known alternative therapies: Acupressure, Acupuncture, Ayurvedic Medicine (more than 5,000 years old), Biofeedback, Bach Flower Remedies, Colon Therapy/Colonics, Chinese (Oriental) Medicine, Chiropractic, Osteopathy, Cupping (ancient Chinese medical technique), Craniosacral Therapy, Ear Candling, Electropathy, Fasting Therapy, Herbalism (one of most popular health systems worldwide), Hydrotherapy, Iridology, Magnetotherapy, Massage Therapy, Naturopathic Medicine, Vitamin Therapy, Yoga.

 

A random selection of poll respondents’ comments follow:

I mostly use alternative medicine but use all medical systems (including Western medicine), although avoid Big Pharma’s drugs like the plague and would only agree to surgery as a last resort.

The confusion about alternative medicine is that this one is efficient in certain areas and problems, but it is hard to identify the real cause of the healing when the healing process involves many substances, rituals, dancings, or massages in certain areas combined. And when you do not know the causes or how the system works, it is easy to invent and believe that there are chakras, body energies, magnetism and all sort of crap.

I’m not quite sure why we have to be fully for one or the other… Can we really make a decision or judgment based on such a vague premise? Much of Western medicine is great and much is not… the same goes for alternative medicine. It is impossible to stand for the entire array of medicine produced by western medicine or by the alternative route.

Biofeedack (a medicine I’ve also used with success) is generally listed as “complimentary medicine” or alternative, not generally used in mainstream medicine. It’s also often mocked by skeptics, as per this and other similar listings for biofeedback on skeptics forums: http://www.rationalskepticism.org/med…

Ironically, when someone will explain exactly how certain alternative medicine methods work, these will no longer be “alternative”, but “mainstream” (scientific). Until then, those who use alternative medicine are nothing more than voluntary guinea pigs.

…need to include the fact that what is often being called “science” to support a fair percentage of Western medicine is of course biased research funded by Big Pharma that aims for a specific outcome. And some of it is even anti-science in that it is not open to all possibilities (e.g. research that reveals this patented drug is not the best way to treat a specific illness will often be thrown out).

I wouldn’t personally say all elements of mainstream medicine must be scientifically proven. There’s lots of evidence of peer reviewed medical journals throwing out some studies and favoring others that fit their agenda. Pharma funds studies and makes sure the methods of testing and collecting evidence are biased. So sometimes science is proven and other times it’s fake science propping up medicines and practices.    

Each time in my life that I have been laid low and very ill it has been the alternative medicines / therapies which have given me back my life. I have gone to them out of frustration about our standard treatments.

 

Poll ends March 1.

 

To view all comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

 

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Goodreads group poll result shows support for euthanasia

Posted: February 2, 2016 in Underground Knowledge
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The latest poll in our Underground Knowledge discussion group on Goodreads.com, which asks “Do you believe euthanasia (voluntary assisted suicide) should be legalized?”, is proving predictably emotive.

 

 

Interim poll results show 66% say YES (euthanasia should be legalized); 19% say NO; and 15% are UNSURE.

Comments by Undergrounders (members of our Underground Knowledge group) reflect the ethical, legal and human dilemmas this issue poses.

A sample of poll respondents’ comments follows:

It is open to abuse but I do see the need for it in some cases. If a person asks to be released would you be willing to say yes or no?    

Yes and no – legalizing it opens up a number of benefits for people, but the chance for somebody to take advantage of the patients who want to die this way seems too much of an issue.

A relative is suffering a lot with bone cancer and maybe we should accept that she has the right to choose put an end on it (which is not permitted on my country).

Yes. Their life their choice.    

No. In Islam suicide is forbidden.    

I watched my husband go through over two years of pancreatic cancer reducing him to literally a shrunken skinned over bone person with a huge tumor growing in his middle. And yet, and yet, the will to live each remaining hour was still there. I suppose that if euthanasia was the request of the person when she/he reached a vegetative state would be alright IF the person consenting to it had power of attorney for health issues previously given, while sound of mind, would be okay. And yet, again, are we really to determine a natural part of existence? Would extreme pain, being totally immobilized in mind and body justify? Could I ask my children to bear the burden of such responsibility?

… this is a slippery slope, you may have hundreds of ppl who would kill people for money, saying they wanted me to kill them.     

It goes against my faith, as a Roman Catholic I’m supposed to believe all life is precious and only God should decide. I’m also a Registered Nurse who works with premature babies, some that should never have been submitted to such drastic life saving measures when less than 500 grams, and 23 weeks or less. This topic needs continued discussion and debate but I voted Yes.

It’s not okay to end your life because you are suffering, you never know what might happen next. Even the darkest night ends with dawn.    

I don’t see why if someone is in excruciating agony year after year with some terminal illness that they should not have the right to die early and end the extreme physical suffering if that’s what they want. After all, it’s their body and their life.

 

To view all comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

 

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‘Underground Knowledge’ group poll shows most believe Jonestown deaths were mass murder, not suicide

Posted: January 9, 2016 in Underground Knowledge
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Do you believe the deaths at Jonestown were the result of suicides as per the official story or mass murder? That’s the question we put to members of the Underground Knowledge discussion group in our latest (continuing) poll on Goodreads.com

 

Bodies at Jonestown…mass murder or suicide?

 

Jonestown, of course, is the name synonymous with the mass deaths of the infamous (mainly American) Peoples Temple cult members in the jungles of Guyana. Since that dreadful event, in November, 1978, there has been considerable speculation on whether the deaths were suicide, as per the official story, or mass murder.

If ‘Undergrounders’ (group members) are correct, most believe it was mass murder. One compelling argument proffered to support this view is that many of the dead were children – and, of course, children don’t normally commit suicide, do they?

Interim poll results are:

–63% believe the deaths were mass murder.

–22% believe they were suicides.

–15% are unsure.

 

A random selection of poll respondents’ comments follows:

Mass murder, because children don’t “choose” suicide. Men with guns stood around until everyone had drunk the poisoned cool aide. Then they either drank it, or ran away. But those few men, who held the rifles were both murderers and the only few who actually committed suicide.   

No way this is a conspiracy. Jones and his followers killed a US Congressman, panicked and drank Kool-Aid. End of story.

I would say…Mass Murder – MK Ultra Mind Control

How do we know that they were shot except for verbal statements? 

The Guyanese army, whose soldiers were among the first on the scene, reported only 408 Temple members had died by their own hand. Then the New York Times reported the actual number was around 500. US Military personnel arrived several days later and the body count quickly rose – from 700 to a final tally of 909. No official explanation was ever given for these differing body counts although one US official was quoted as saying, “Guyanese cannot count.”

 …it’s madness! So much death and many things that don’t make sense. It’s either religious fanatics/cult or a corrupt government to blame and we know which explanation we’d rather go with. I vote unsure on this.  

This is a hard one to decide on there are so many sides to what the truth is and everyone has a different story to tell.   

Neil Sanders does a pretty good job at listing all the anomalies in the official story, as well as all the CIA involvement in the cult before the deaths, in this video here: https://www.goodreads.com/videos/9605…

 

To see all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

Also, check out our Jonestown discussion thread here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/group…     

Poll ends January 10.

 

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