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What or who are aliens? Another ‘Underground Knowledge’ group debate unfolds…

Posted: March 20, 2015 in Antigravity Propulson, Underground Knowledge
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Conjecture over what or who are aliens has prompted another lively debate in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com with some members saying they (aliens) are beings from far away galaxies while others believe they are multidimensional or interdimensional beings; others claim they are time travelers from the future and still more say they are delusions of the insane and therefore don’t exist.

 

Sample comments from group members (names withheld) follow:

The breakaway civilization angle is interesting. Author William Gibson has a great quote. It goes something like “The future is here it’s just unevenly distributed.” I’m sure there are some technologies that are closely held somewhere. I don’t know what or who. I’m sure some private groups are guarding some secrets.

 

I’ve recently read Karla Turner’s last book, Masquerade of Angels. It was published right before (or after?) she died. From what I understand, she was very outspoken that the intentions behind abductions were to use or harm humans. Through the experience of the subject in her book, he was dealing with a hostile race of reptilians. The procedures performed on him would match some of the statements made about human’s being referred to as containers – which in my own research and experience I am finding holds a lot of credibility.

 

I also have a pet theory that humans produced an advanced technological society prior to the last ice age. Real evidence is lacking but there are a lot of clues that point to it – especially artifacts produced in Egypt that are best explained by advanced machining.

 

I do not know if these beings are from other planets or other dimensions. I do believe that there are creatures that reside within the realm of Earth, just outside our perception, and are responsible for some of the spiritual abduction encounters. This is actually my current focus in my new project.Anatomically modern humans have been around for at least 200,000 years with brains that worked as well as ours do. Is it really logical to assume they spent 190,000 of those years just hunting and gathering? So given that, I wonder if some group of humans developed some technology and are still around somehow. It could be something banal like space travel technology or something weirder.

 

I’ve recently been leaning toward the angle that aliens are denizens of the inner planes. I mean that in the Neoplatonist/Hermetic sense. Not sure how it translates into out materialist world view. Also, Jung’s Collective Unconscious is close to what I mean.

 

Alternately, I haven’t entirely abandoned the tulpa idea. Perhaps we have collectively created aliens and given them some sort of existence without consciously meaning to.

 

There are theories that the rest of the universe is not as dense or physical…and that other lifeforms out in space are therefore interdimensional.

 

I spent much of the past two decades as a futurist, trying to forecast future trends in technology. I’ve come to the conclusion that there’s an awful lot of mass media work taking place to prepare the public not to panic when there’s an official “first contact.”

 

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2137716-what-or-who-are-aliens?comment=116358097#comment_116358097

 

Related discussion threads in our Underground Knowledge group include:

Underground Knowl…:Antigravity propulsion: human or alien technologies?

Underground Knowl…:Other UFO theories

Underground Knowl…:The argument for manmade technologies

Underground Knowl…:*Amazing UFO quotes from world leaders, NASA astronauts & other prominent figures

 

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Nearly two thirds of respondents believe Christ a real, historical person

Posted: March 14, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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Our latest ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group poll on the popular literary site Goodreads.com  asks: Do you believe Jesus Christ was a real historical person? Interim results show that 60% of poll respondents say Yes; 23% say No; and 17% are Unsure.

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Christ as depicted by artist Heinrich Hofmann.

The poll was inspired by a lively new discussion thread titled Forbidden history of the Bible in our group.

That thread in turn has spawned the following debates:

Earlier historical versions of Jesus Christ?

Extensive biblical revisions made by the Romans

Biblical conspiracy theory re Adam & Eve

Book of Genesis – not an original document?

and last but not least…

Banned books of the Bible

 

Before voting in the poll, members were advised, “For anyone wanting to read more on this subject before voting, here’s a discussion thread in the group on “Earlier historical versions of Jesus Christ”: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…”

 

A selection of poll respondents’ comments follow (names withheld):

No offense but the question to me is nonsensical, so I didn’t weigh in. No genuine scholar denies that Jesus existed. That leaves pretty much only propagandists and pseudo-scholars, who know nothing about history, that deny that He did. There is way more proof for His existence than there is for many other people that we accept as historical. People can argue about what His significance is, but that He was a historical figure is unquestionably so.

 

I am obligated to be honest with respect to my Christian brethren and friends here. My “YES” Jesus existed is qualified by the separation of what is ascribed to him in the Gospel. It is problematic to align with Paul’s advocating that a Jew of the first century would claim divinity when the Jews challenged Rome over the same issue to the very end of a disastrous conclusion, and without surrendering their belief: they rather faced a holocaust than surrender their belief before Rome. The followers of Jesus rejected Paul, not Jesus.

 

I don’t ALTOGETHER believe Jesus Christ existed as such, but the question, with only Yes, No and Unsure options, imposes limitations on the answer. By that I mean that it’s perfectly plausible that a man, or many men existed at that time called Jesus of Nazareth, and it’s wholly plausible that one or more might have been regarded as Jesus Christ. What I don’t believe is that a ‘Jesus Christ son of God’ existed, any more than I believe God himself existed. I hope I’ve explained that clearly. (Gulps)

 

I believe there is a true person behind the legends and stories. Just not that every action, event, or saying ascribed to him in the canonical or other writings is 100% accurate.

 

Way too much historical evidence for him. See Josephus.

 

It’s my understanding that many (or most?) historians now believe Josephus’ documents that name Jesus are forgeries: http://www.truthbeknown.com/josephus.htm

 

It is very possible the Church threw in the forgery. I don’t disagree with that. I do disagree that Jesus is a figment of some one’s story telling ability.

 

Are you aware of all the Pagan Gods who came before Christ – like Mithra, Horus and Osiris – whose lives are remarkably similar to the story of Jesus? I find the history (or lack of, depending on your take) surrounding Jesus gets really convoluted the deeper you research.

 

Agreed. Lot’s of stuff borrowed. There was even a second messiah around 100 AD.

 

To see all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

 

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Forbes article debunking global warming sparks another ‘Underground Knowledge’ group debate

Posted: March 11, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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A recent Forbes article titled ‘Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming Claims’ has prompted one of the liveliest debates yet seen in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group with the various factions defending their beliefs quite vehemently in some cases. No surprises there given the passionate claims and counter-claims surrounding this most topical of issues.

 Global Warming Facts Losing Support In US, Considered A Fake Climate Change Hoax

Excerpts from the Forbes article, which was dated Feb. 25, 2015, follow:

Yet another bitterly cold, snowy winter is destroying alarmist global warming claims, proving once again that over-the-top global warming predictions are proving no more scientifically credible than snake oil…

…Connecticut is experiencing its coldest February in recorded history. So is Michigan. So is Toronto. Cleveland and Chicago are experiencing their second coldest February in recorded history. Frigid and record cold temperatures are being set from Key West to International Falls. At the same time, blizzard after blizzard is burying much of the nation with record winter snow totals, with winter snowfall records beings set from Boston to Denver. Global warming activists are in full-throttle damage control, desperately claiming global warming causes record snow and cold…

…The most meaningful lesson from the unusually cold and snowy recent winters is that global warming is so minor as to be barely noticeable…Global warming alarmists will still try to sell their snake oil, hoping you will forget that tornadoes, hurricanes, droughts, floods, snow, and heat waves all really did occur prior to 1988. Most of these events actually occurred more frequently in decades past. And global warming activists will try to induce you to forget their prior snake-oil predictions, like the warm and snow-free predictions issued by the IPCC.

 

For the full Forbes article go to: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/25/cold-and-snow-destroy-global-warming-claims/

 

Predictably, the Forbes article sparked a flurry of comments from our fellow Undergrounders (members of our Underground Knowledge group) including one from a learned member who says, “The global discussion on Global Heating has moved way, way beyond the whole ‘is it real?’ stuff.” He claims, “To still be pondering that is akin to still being debating whether the Earth is round or flat, purely because the Flat Earth Society insists that its view be heard. Flat Earthers get laughed out of town these days.”

 

Members’ randomly selected comments follow:

The point that I was trying to make, regarding Global Warming, is that it’s important not to allow deniers to sow doubt where none exists. It’s a typical Big Brother tactic. If facts don’t suit your agenda, and the evidence for them is such that you can’t deny them outright, sow doubt among the population at large about them. Start a “debate” which distracts attention and energy from worthwhile discussion and progress… exactly what is happening here. It’s a little disappointing to see that you’ve swallowed the Big Brother bait on this one.

 

The Forbes article – yawn. More establishment doubt-sowing. “Some Snow Destroys Global Warming Claims” is about as good as “Some Cheeseburgers Destroy Global Hunger Claims” or “Some Money Destroys Global Poverty Claims”. You’re correct, Forbes hasn’t run any articles lately questioning whether the Earth is round or flat, but then, the Flat Earth Society don’t have media and political lobbyists backed by billions of oil money, either.

 

This article in London’s leading newspaper The Telegraph with the headline ‘The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever’ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth… The first paragraph from this mainstream media article is perhaps telling: When future generations look back on the global-warming scare of the past 30 years, nothing will shock them more than the extent to which the official temperature records – on which the entire panic ultimately rested – were systematically “adjusted” to show the Earth as having warmed much more than the actual data justified.

 

The “debate” that exists in mainstream media is fossil-fuel company sponsored diversion of public attention from the fact that their industry is wrecking the planet. Among the scientific community there is overwhelming consensus on the issue. If you still need evidence for global warming, here is as good a place to start as any: http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 

It seems like every one has an opinion, but only the best scientists have the data. Those scientists provide a large set of data that would suggest global warming is real. No where though did anyone say it was linear, which it isn’t.

 

We (Earthlings) are either in an Ice Age or between Ice Ages. If we are between, as is the case now, we are either coming out of the last Ice Age or heading into the next one…so we either warm up or we cool down. In other words…we’ve seen it all before. Any takers? No? Too simple perhaps? The thing that worries me about this whole global warming debate is the amount of money up for grabs. Even IF the naysayers are wrong about global warming, I smell something…the whiff of corruption perhaps?

 

I find it a bit curious that anybody is still questioning the existence of human induced climate change. Some people might believe that some US president first realised this, but the first scientist to recognise it, as far as I know, was Tyndall in about 1850. Newspapers are worthless sources of information. They can’t get anything right. Journalists are not scientists.

 

Group member and author Dr. Stephen Martino posted the following: “Global warming has become a fact in today’s public school curriculums. People who deny its existence are considered “deniers” and/or ignorant. However, we must ask: Is global warming indeed factual or is it some myth that is perpetuated by our government to further control our lives, finances and daily activities? “Some facts that contradict the global warming theory include: 1. The earth has not gotten any warmer since 1998 2. The Northern Polar ice cap is getting larger despite Al Gore’s prediction that it would be absent by 2014 3. The amount of CO2 in our atmosphere is almost negligible at 0.04%.”

 

If you want a proper assessment of climate issues you need to get information from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change or the scientific literature. IPCC reports are balance reports written by 1000 scientists worldwide with no political axe to grind. IPCC reports are free of charge as are the data from which the climate assessments are made. Those reports explain why, e.g., ice ages are not an issue.

 

Greenhouse Effect: The radiative effect of particular gases in the atmosphere (h2o, CO2, CH4, N2O) which act in concert to raise the global temperature and cause other climate effects.

global warming: the change in global temperature.

climate change: the change in the earth’s climate.

These terms are not vague: it is you that is ignorant of them.

 

Blah, blah, blah again. At best and very magnanimously, a continuation of “scientific fact until next revision.”

 

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2244487-global-warming—is-it-real

 

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‘Forbidden history of the Bible’ discussion opens up debate on Christianity

Posted: March 9, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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Yet another interesting confab is unfolding in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com – this one relating to the authenticity of the Bible and the accuracy of the information contained within its hallowed pages.

1611 King James Bible Book

The discussion was sparked by one of the group’s moderators who claims it is historically proven many or all of the books in the Bible were edited (revised, rewritten, added to and subtracted from) at later dates. He refers to “the extensive Council of Nicea biblical edits in the 4th Century AD conducted by the Romans under Emperor Constantine.”

His post continues:

So to believe the Bible as we now know it is the pure “word of God” means one must also believe that the political and militant Romans who revised the Bible had no other agendas when they decided on what to include in the finalized Bible and what to remove from its content…

That belief would be a very big call when you think about it as it requires a faith in some very corrupt and militant Roman rulers…Today’s equivalent would be believing a spiritual text edited/revised by say George W. Bush, Oliver North, Henry Kissinger and Tony Blair retained the original word of God…

…The oldest bible ever found is the Sinai Bible which from memory was written on donkey skins in the 3RD Century AD. It differs radically from the modern (edited) Bible, which is further testimony to the changes Man has made to the “word of God” over the centuries. Apparently the Sinai Bible does not contain any mention of the Resurrection of Christ, which may indicate that was added later (probably in the Council of Nicea).

Here’s an article from VatiLeaks (January 02, 2013) about the Sinai Bible (headed) ‘A glaring omission in World’s oldest Bible’:

“It is a fact of Christian history that the earliest Gospels did not record a resurrection of Jesus Christ, and that claim is supported in the oldest known complete Bible available to mankind today. Called the Codex Sinaiticus, or Sinai Bible, it was named after Mt. Sinai, the location of St. Catherine’s Monastery where it was discovered in 1859 by Dr. Constantine Von Tischendorf (1815-1874). The discovery of the Sinai Bible provided biblical scholars with irrefutable evidence of wilful falsifications in all modern-day Gospels, and a comparison identified a staggering 14,800 later editorial alterations in modern Bibles…

“…With the Sinai Bible, Christian history is traced back as far as it can conceivably go, but it was still written, at best, more than 350 years after the time the Vatican says Jesus Christ walked the sands of Palestine.

“The ‘Catholic Encyclopedia’ agrees to this extraordinary late composition of the world’s oldest Bible: ’The earliest of the extant manuscripts [relating to Christianity], it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD’.”

 

The group moderator concludes by saying, “For anyone who believes the modern version of the Bible is the irrefutable and pure word of God, I would simply ask them then what were the older Bibles? Surely the Bibles written closer to the time of Christ should be more precise?”

 

The above discussion thread runs under the heading Extensive biblical revisions made by the Romans

Under the umbrella heading of “Forbidden history of the Bible,” other discussion threads have been established including Banned books of the Bible / Earlier historical versions of Jesus Christ? / Book of Genesis – not an original document? / Biblical conspiracy theory re Adam & Eve

 

To view the discussions, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/group_folder/266160

 

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‘Confessions of an Economic Hit Man’ nearly didn’t happen

Posted: March 8, 2015 in Books in general, Underground Knowledge
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In a revealing interview John Perkins, bestselling author of Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, published in 2004, has divulged he began writing the book in the 1980’s, but “threats or bribes” always convinced him to stop.

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Economic hit man Perkins.

The interview, part of a short documentary, is featured in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on the popular literary site Goodreads.com – and it’s well worth a look.

In it, Perkins maintains his function was to convince the political and financial leadership of underdeveloped countries to accept enormous development loans from institutions like the World Bank and USAID. Saddled with debts they could not hope to pay, those countries were forced to acquiesce to political pressure from the United States on a variety of issues. Perkins argues in his book that developing nations were effectively neutralized politically, had their wealth gaps driven wider and economies crippled in the long run.

His definition of economic hit men (EHMs), incidentally, is highly paid professionals who cheat countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars.

To view the interview in full go to: https://www.goodreads.com/videos/80849-confessions-of-an-economic-hitman—john-perkins-short-documentary

The interview is compelling viewing and the book (below) is compelling reading.

 

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man

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Debunking of the Big Bang Theory leads to questions about God’s role in creation of the universe

Posted: March 5, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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It appears the universe may not have started with a BANG! That is if the latest science challenging the notion of the Big Bang Theory is correct.

This revelation has gotten members of our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com fairly worked up, with those of an atheistic or scientific bent butting heads with those of a religious persuasion as members debate the role of God in the creation of the universe.

It (the discussion that is) all began with a comment by a group moderator. He drew attention to a news item that quotes a theoretical physicist as declaring new research suggests the age of the universe could be infinite. That same article quotes another scientist as declaring “We (scientists) really have no right to say that the universe begins with a big bang.”

The news item referred to is at: https://au.news.yahoo.com/technology/…

The research referred to, incidentally, pertains to a paper published Feb. 4 in the journal Physical Letters B, and another paper that is currently under peer review, which was published in the preprint journal arXiv.

One of our members responded by quoting Genesis 1:1 – In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. She adds, “It’s the simple truth that I believe in.”

Another member countered by saying, “Unfortunately it’s not a simple truth: it is not simple and may not be the truth. E.g. who or what created god? According to Genesis, the universe was created about 6500 BC or something, whereas we know the Universe to be 13.8 billion years old. So Genesis is wrong anyway. “Who or what is god” is equivalent to the question to which Physics is seeking an answer. The big bang hypothesis assumes quantum mechanics is equivalent to god… With the big bang, there is a better explanation for reality and god isn’t needed. By the Occam’s razor principle we can therefore do without him.

To which the first member answered, “To answer the question, “who or what created god?” Nothing and no one created God. God has simply always existed. He was. He is. And He will be.”

 

Members’ (further) comments follow. (Names withheld):

At the risk of again being laughed at; the paths to god encompass the pre-destined pursuits of failing “knowledge” and the beauty of faith.

 

Other hypotheses such as a recycling universe, which is certainly not a new idea, may have a different role for quantum mechanics. Something that goes on forever (a recycling universe) is unsatisfactory as it doesn’t explain how it got there in the first place. Why is there something rather than nothing?

 

How does the new proposal handle the background radiation issue? Some sites worth reading: http://www.big-bang-theory.com/ … http://news.nationalgeographic.com/ne…

 

I believe the Big Bang Theory is very ridiculous and requires EVEN MORE FAITH than believing that a loving God created the universe in six days (which is totally the truth, and very simple to accept.)

 

Keep in mind most modern Christians do not state the world is 4-6,000 years old anymore. Most accept that the Earth is billions of years old as per science’s findings. The belief that it’s only a few thousand years old is now about as popular a Christian belief as the old Biblical viewpoint that the Earth is the center of the Universe. Certainly some Christian sects and other minority offshoots (e.g. Seventh Day Adventists) push the old 4,000 year old Biblical belief, but not mainstream Christianity as a whole…FYI, the Aboriginal (native) people in Australia are estimated to go back to around 50,000 years.

 

The bottom line is the Bible was written by men (not any supernatural entity) and written in a time when people had little scientific understanding…

 

The Bible was Not written by men. It was spoken through men but God-breathed (God spoke it it to them or supernaturally showed them what to write).

 

Any Christian scholar will inform you the Bible was most certainly written by men. Afterall, nobody is saying the books that formed the Bible fell out of the sky already written. Each book in the Bible had authors – hence the Book of Job, the Gospel of Mark, the Gospel of Matthew etc. Furthermore, it’s historically proven many or all of these books were edited at later dates (e.g. the Council of Nicea biblical edits in 353AD conducted by the Romans).

 

There are actually various other scientific theories that have been proposed regarding the background radiation. For example, Japanese scientist and member of this group Takaaki Musha has proposed that the cosmic background radiation is not due to the after-glow of a Big Bang, but rather it’s due to the Cherenkov radiation from tachyon pairs created from a ZPF vacuum.

 

Back to the point about the universe possibly recycling. Didn’t Hubble himself have that idea? Wasn’t he the one who thought up the phrase “big bang” as a frustrated way of saying how silly the whole idea was? Of course science is full of silly ideas that ultimately survive the full test of scientific enquiry, such as evolution itself. It will probably take a long time to dismiss the “big bang” theory [no pun intended!]. We can get very close to the point when the current universe began — a tiny fraction of a second. After this point the laws of physics as currently known can work to produce the universe as it is. However close we can get we may never know for sure how the universe began.

 

There may indeed be a few ideas going around such as parallel universes and/or holographic loop, but these don’t seem testable. This makes it unsatisfactory. I can’t possibly see how the universe could be physically infinite. Closed, certainly. In other words if we keep racing for the exit then we can’t get out, even after an infinite time. This is because ultimately space curves in on itself according to principles of general relativity.

 

To view the entire discussion thread, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2237090-the-big-bang-theory—debunked

 

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Membership of our fledgling ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com has topped 640, making it one of the fastest growing groups on the popular literary site.

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The ‘Underground Knowledge’ group is aimed at those with an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times. Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind. Our members include scientists, teachers, historians, authors, military and intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students, former police officers and many more.

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Poll asks if Bobby Kennedy’s killer acted alone…Most say No!

Posted: March 2, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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In the latest poll in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com we ask members if they believe Robert (Bobby) F. Kennedy (RFK) was solely killed by the “lone gunman” Sirhan Sirhan?

RFK (above) after the fateful shooting. Sirhan Sirhan (below) under arrest.

Interim results show 62% of poll respondents say No (he wasn’t killed by the lone gunman), 18% say Yes (he was) and 20% indicate they’re Undecided.

A random selection of poll respondents’ comments follow. (Names withheld):

I think there’s as much evidence to show Sirhan Sirhan could not possibly have been the only killer of RFK as there is to prove that Oswald couldn’t have acted alone in JFK’s murder. However, the RFK assassination is much more complicated as it likely involved mind control (MK-Ultra) and people need to research wider to understand it.

Some key points for me are…Sirhan Sirhan has no memory of the event at all. There were many more bullets fired at the crime scene than Sirhan’s gun could hold. Sirhan was mixing in circles of MK-Ultra scientists before the killing and was recorded as being “easily hypnotized”.

I recall watching this happen and there was so much confusion. These “single” assassins probably didn’t just spring up on their own. To have both Jack and Bobby gunned down is probably statistically improbable. And Martin too, without outside input from those who feared them…just doesn’t add up to lone assassins. So many “truths” then and now just don’t add up to any kind of “normal” reality.

I voted undecided…My instincts always said that the event was much too convenient for the powers that be. Imagine what might have been if RFK became the next US president. This is not to reject any notion of conspiracy. The martyred shooter is likely just the tip of the iceberg.

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

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The ‘Underground Knowledge’ group is aimed at those with an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times. Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind. Our members include scientists, teachers, historians, authors, military and intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students, former police officers and many more.

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Membership of our ‘Underground Knowledge’ group tops 600

Posted: February 22, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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Membership of our fledgling ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com has topped 600, making it one of the fastest growing groups on the popular literary site.

Goodreads: Book reviews, recommendations, and discussion

The ‘Underground Knowledge’ group is aimed at those with an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times. Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind. Our members include scientists, teachers, historians, authors, military and intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students, former police officers and many more.

Visit the group at: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

The group’s new discussion threads include:

Is the Islamic State (IS/ISIS) another invention of the West? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

Mozart & shattering the inborn genius myth https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

Plum Island (NY) – inspired by Nazi science? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

Communication Between Humans and Plants https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

Weather modification and HAARP https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

Who or what are aliens (if they even exist)? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

Princeton University proves that thought influences physical reality? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

Can Little Brother overthrow Big Brother? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

 

Check us out if this sounds like a group you could be interested in…or better still join us and have YOUR say!

 

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Poll results show many convinced Hurricane Katrina was an ‘inside job’

Posted: February 17, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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In the latest poll on our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com  we ask members if they believe Hurricane Katrina was a purely natural disaster; some of the responses make for interesting reading…

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Katrina batters New Orleans. 

The full question posed in this (continuing) poll reads: Do you believe Hurricane Katrina was a purely natural disaster or do you think it was an ‘inside job’ on some level (e.g. HAARP, eugenics-style racial attack, blowing up levees or general weather modification)?

Thus far, 43% of poll respondents have opted for natural disaster, 20% are unsure and the balance (37%) opted for inside job.

 

A random selection of comments from those who believe Hurricane Katrina was an inside job follows. (Names withheld):

I sense it was an Inside Job and voted that way. Declassified documents seem to indicate weather modification may be very advanced. Not just HAARP but general weather modification technologies that the military industrial complex has in its possession.

 

I strongly feel that Katrina was either orchestrated event or else a natural disaster that was used in an opportunist fashion to attack impoverished African American communities. Unfortunately, when you study the history of eugenics it is impossible to dismiss such sinister racial experiments.

 

Total inside job. I’ve talked to people that lived through it, swimming from house to house, and they said the levies were intentionally tampered with, although I can’t remember the specifics. Either way, it’s self-evident. All you have to do is look at how many people profited off the cleanup and by how much.

 

While I am unsure about the cause; I am sure that the authorities did everything in their power afterward to make more of a mess.

 

Indeed it was orchestrated. There was an emergency planning scenario drill exercise held in New Orleans which commenced one week ahead of the storm called Hurricane Pam. It is believed that this granted FEMA the cover it needed to plant the explosives in the levee wall of Lake Portchartrain.

 

The slow government response to this huge disaster was very unusual. Somehow, things didn’t make sense from a rescue point of view. Why did it take so long for the government to do something? This is not a normal response, in the U.S., anyway.

 

Although I cannot be 100% sure that it was a manmade inside job, I still voted that way, because if Katrina wasn’t, then certainly other things of the same ilk were. Weather modification, eugenics and associated things are those areas that can be backed up with some hard facts, and yet it’s still routinely ignored in mainstream press (even the weather modification we’ve been told has been employed).

 

And here’s some links relating to Katrina that poll respondents have provided:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz91N… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9k9P… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1m_d… https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

http://www.whale.to/b/vialls3.html

https://www.academia.edu/7533253/War_…

 

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/115513-do-you-believe-hurricane-katrina-was-a-purely-natural-disaster-or-do-you

 

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Books of an ‘alternative’ nature for enquiring minds

Posted: February 15, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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Interested in books of an ‘alternative’ nature? Books on underground knowledge, suppressed technologies, 21st Century history, media studies, secret learning methods and well researched, well documented conspiracy theories? Then our ‘Underground Knowledge’ group’s bookshelf on Goodreads.com is for you!

 Goodreads: Book reviews, recommendations, and discussion

Our bookshelf is now loaded with more than 300 titles – and with what we believe to be some of the most well-researched and level-headed conspiracy theory books around. Many are more conspiracy fact than theory.

Here’s just some of the titles on offer:

The Lone Gladio by Sibel Edmonds The Lone Gladio Edmonds, Sibel

 

Little Brother by Cory Doctorow Little Brother (Little Brother, #1) Doctorow, Cory

 

Flying Saucers & Science by Stanton T. Friedman Flying Saucers & Science: A Scientist Investigates the Mysteries of UFOs Friedman, Stanton T.

 

GENIUS INTELLIGENCE by James Morcan GENIUS INTELLIGENCE: Secret Techniques and Technologies to Increase IQ Morcan, James

 

Reich of The Black Sun by Joseph P. Farrell Reich of The Black Sun: Nazi Secret Weapons & The Cold War Allied Legend Farrell, Joseph

 

In Search of Schrödinger's Cat by John Gribbin In Search of Schrödinger’s Cat: Quantum Physics and Reality Gribbin, John

 

Food of the Gods by Terence McKenna Food of the Gods: The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge McKenna, Terence

 

The Orphan Trilogy by James Morcan The Orphan Trilogy (The Orphan Trilogy #1-3) Morcan, James

 

The Transhumanist Wager by Zoltan Istvan The Transhumanist Wager Istvan, Zoltan

 

Medical Apartheid by Harriet A. Washington Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present Washington, Harriet A.

 

Acid Dreams by Martin A. Lee Acid Dreams: The CIA, LSD and the Sixties Rebellion Lee, Martin A.

 

Half the Sky by Nicholas D. Kristof Half the Sky: Turning Oppression into Opportunity for Women Worldwide Kristof, Nicholas D.

 

Fingerprints of the Gods by Graham Hancock Fingerprints of the Gods: The Evidence of Earth’s Lost Civilization Hancock, Graham

 

To view all the books on our ‘Underground Knowledge’ bookshelf go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1980267-bookshelf-up-and-running

 

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Visit the group at: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

 

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