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A.I. more advanced than human intelligence? Interim poll results say…one day…YES!

Posted: May 9, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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Do you believe A.I. (artificial intelligence) will ever be more advanced/sophisticated than human intelligence? That’s the question we put in our latest poll to members of our Underground Knowledge Discussion Group on Goodreads.com. Most respondents to date have answered “Yes” to the question.

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In posting this most intriguing of questions, we suggest fellow ‘Undergrounders’  (group members) consider whether AI will ever surpass humanity “over all” — meaning AI might be able to beat human intelligence in isolated fields like a game of chess, but can it ever be more advanced in almost every other intellectual field?

To date, interim poll results — to the question “Do you believe A.I. (artificial intelligence) will ever be more advanced/sophisticated than human intelligence?” — are as follows:

53% say Yes / 37% say No / 10% are Unsure.

A random selection of members’ (abridged) responses follows:

I believed No before that the machine can transcend the capability of human brain. But I think there is a possibility that the machine can transcend the human brain by studying the bain mechanism from the standpoint of superluminal particles. In some future, we will obtain the technology for superluminal physics which can manupulate superluminal particles, which can lead to the realization of HAL 9000 in this world.

 

I voted NO in this poll and believe AI will never beat human intelligence. Reason being in my opinion (which is really just a gut instinct) is that human intelligence has an indefinable creativity inbuilt in it that is unprogrammable.

 

I think it’s a matter of how you define “intelligence.” In terms of storing knowledge, we’re already there. My desktop “knows” a whole lot more than I do and databases store more than we could ever remember and then, of course, there’s Wikipedia. Synthesizing data is slightly more complex, but certainly possible given enough “if-then” statements. A certain level of morality can be programmed relatively easily…However, creativity and having emotions are another story. Those define us as humans and individuals. It’s also the driving force behind most of our actions. How much that can ever be imbued in a machine or robot is another story.

 

I voted “no”, but if humans continue to behave at na inferior level, without improving their skills, of course we will be beaten by AI. I mean, if we want to stay at the level of AI, or better, to overpass it, humans need to keep working continuosly on themselves, and improve their institutions and societies…In the jungle, without preparation, even a chacal beats us…

 

To view all comments related to this poll, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

Poll closes May 18.

 

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Adventure-romance novel ‘A Walk in the Rain’ exquisite!

Posted: April 13, 2015 in Book reviews
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Book review:

A Walk in the Rain  –by Udai Yadla

★★★★★ Exquisite!

This reader discovered ‘A Walk in the Rain’ is an oft-used title, gracing the covers of a number of books. However, Udai Yadla’s version must surely stand alone. It’s truly unique and beautifully written. Exquisite!

Aptly subtitled ‘A journey of love and redemption,’ it is exactly that. A romantic, often intense, occasionally delicate and always gripping tale of a love found and lost, and an unforgettable journey of self-discovery.

The writing is tight but not rushed, the characterization is excellent and the storyline grabs you from the prologue right through to the last page. A must-read! –Sterling Gate Books

Synopsis:
Love is poison that kills you. Love is elixir that keeps you alive. An unreciprocated love keeps you alive, but kills every day.

Heartbroken Sunny lives a reclusive life, trapped in the past, living in his memories. He has no complaints about his life, but refuses to embrace the present.

Saloni is a prostitute who is desperate to earn money by any means. She does not care about exploiting others to fulfill her purpose.

Fate unites the loner and the prostitute to embark on a life changing journey of retribution and self discovery.

Lovelorn Sunny turns misogynistic after Sandy, the only girl he loved walks away from his life, unannounced. He suffers painful solitude for almost two decades with the relentless haunting of her thoughts. A distressed friend Imran, vows to change his life forever. A surprise planned for his birthday turns into a tragedy that claims the life of his dear friend, triggering a series of unbelievable events. As Imran gets killed by a stranger, Sunny’s calm life suddenly turns into a turbulent storm. With nothing left to live for, vengeance becomes his ultimate mission. His reluctant alliance with a prostitute to trace the killer sets him onto a nerve racking adventure of life and death.

Both are bound to a common goal with different motives, but destiny has its own motive.

A walk in the rain is an intricate tale of intense emotions, driven by hair raising twists and turns.

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9/11 and the mysterious collapse of Building 7 subject of Underground Knowledge group poll

Posted: March 30, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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Two thirds of respondents in the latest poll in our Underground Knowledge discussion group on Goodreads.com state they don’t believe the official 9/11 story that World Trade Center 7 (aka Building 7) collapsed solely as a result of fires.

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The poll, which ends April 3rd, poses the following question: Do you believe World Trade Center 7 (aka Building 7), which no plane hit on 9/11, collapsed solely due to fires as per the official story?

Interim results are: 67% say No; 19% say Yes; 14% are unsure.

This comment from one respondent is typical of most received to date: “There’s no doubt in my mind that Building 7 was all part of the plan to make it look like a terrorist attack. Big buildings like that don’t just collapse unless explosives are set in just the right places to cause a controlled implosion.”

More comments follow:

I don’t think many people even know about Bldg 7 – which just goes to show you how they quickly controlled the media and everything to hide the obvious.

 

I recall a firefighter saying he heard the owner of the building saying to “pull it”. Soon afterward, the building collapsed. The term “pull it” is often used as a demolition term, meaning to activate the explosives to bring a building down.

 

The mysterious collapse of World Trade Center 7 on 9/11 — Governor Jesse Ventura investigates (video) https://www.goodreads.com/videos/7299… Jesse Ventura, the 38th Governor of Minnesota, investigates the bizarre collapse of Building 7 on 9/11.

 

I believe it was all designed to bring in the anti-terrorism laws that have since stripped the American people of most of their rights and freedoms. Something the Canadian government is trying to bring about too now.

 

I heard Building 7 was not even investigated in the government’s official 9/11 investigation (which many say had as much credibility as the Warren Commission…)

 

A man in the UK successfully defended his non-payment of the TV licence by claiming that the BBC knew about WTC 7’s collapse about 20 minutes before it actually did, that they denied this fact, and therefore they were part of the terrorist plot, and his payment of the licence fee would in effect mean that he was providing aid to a terrorist group.

 

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to our Underground Knowledge group poll at: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

 

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Nearly two thirds of respondents believe Christ a real, historical person

Posted: March 14, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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Our latest ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group poll on the popular literary site Goodreads.com  asks: Do you believe Jesus Christ was a real historical person? Interim results show that 60% of poll respondents say Yes; 23% say No; and 17% are Unsure.

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Christ as depicted by artist Heinrich Hofmann.

The poll was inspired by a lively new discussion thread titled Forbidden history of the Bible in our group.

That thread in turn has spawned the following debates:

Earlier historical versions of Jesus Christ?

Extensive biblical revisions made by the Romans

Biblical conspiracy theory re Adam & Eve

Book of Genesis – not an original document?

and last but not least…

Banned books of the Bible

 

Before voting in the poll, members were advised, “For anyone wanting to read more on this subject before voting, here’s a discussion thread in the group on “Earlier historical versions of Jesus Christ”: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…”

 

A selection of poll respondents’ comments follow (names withheld):

No offense but the question to me is nonsensical, so I didn’t weigh in. No genuine scholar denies that Jesus existed. That leaves pretty much only propagandists and pseudo-scholars, who know nothing about history, that deny that He did. There is way more proof for His existence than there is for many other people that we accept as historical. People can argue about what His significance is, but that He was a historical figure is unquestionably so.

 

I am obligated to be honest with respect to my Christian brethren and friends here. My “YES” Jesus existed is qualified by the separation of what is ascribed to him in the Gospel. It is problematic to align with Paul’s advocating that a Jew of the first century would claim divinity when the Jews challenged Rome over the same issue to the very end of a disastrous conclusion, and without surrendering their belief: they rather faced a holocaust than surrender their belief before Rome. The followers of Jesus rejected Paul, not Jesus.

 

I don’t ALTOGETHER believe Jesus Christ existed as such, but the question, with only Yes, No and Unsure options, imposes limitations on the answer. By that I mean that it’s perfectly plausible that a man, or many men existed at that time called Jesus of Nazareth, and it’s wholly plausible that one or more might have been regarded as Jesus Christ. What I don’t believe is that a ‘Jesus Christ son of God’ existed, any more than I believe God himself existed. I hope I’ve explained that clearly. (Gulps)

 

I believe there is a true person behind the legends and stories. Just not that every action, event, or saying ascribed to him in the canonical or other writings is 100% accurate.

 

Way too much historical evidence for him. See Josephus.

 

It’s my understanding that many (or most?) historians now believe Josephus’ documents that name Jesus are forgeries: http://www.truthbeknown.com/josephus.htm

 

It is very possible the Church threw in the forgery. I don’t disagree with that. I do disagree that Jesus is a figment of some one’s story telling ability.

 

Are you aware of all the Pagan Gods who came before Christ – like Mithra, Horus and Osiris – whose lives are remarkably similar to the story of Jesus? I find the history (or lack of, depending on your take) surrounding Jesus gets really convoluted the deeper you research.

 

Agreed. Lot’s of stuff borrowed. There was even a second messiah around 100 AD.

 

To see all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

 

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Forbes article debunking global warming sparks another ‘Underground Knowledge’ group debate

Posted: March 11, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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A recent Forbes article titled ‘Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming Claims’ has prompted one of the liveliest debates yet seen in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group with the various factions defending their beliefs quite vehemently in some cases. No surprises there given the passionate claims and counter-claims surrounding this most topical of issues.

 Global Warming Facts Losing Support In US, Considered A Fake Climate Change Hoax

Excerpts from the Forbes article, which was dated Feb. 25, 2015, follow:

Yet another bitterly cold, snowy winter is destroying alarmist global warming claims, proving once again that over-the-top global warming predictions are proving no more scientifically credible than snake oil…

…Connecticut is experiencing its coldest February in recorded history. So is Michigan. So is Toronto. Cleveland and Chicago are experiencing their second coldest February in recorded history. Frigid and record cold temperatures are being set from Key West to International Falls. At the same time, blizzard after blizzard is burying much of the nation with record winter snow totals, with winter snowfall records beings set from Boston to Denver. Global warming activists are in full-throttle damage control, desperately claiming global warming causes record snow and cold…

…The most meaningful lesson from the unusually cold and snowy recent winters is that global warming is so minor as to be barely noticeable…Global warming alarmists will still try to sell their snake oil, hoping you will forget that tornadoes, hurricanes, droughts, floods, snow, and heat waves all really did occur prior to 1988. Most of these events actually occurred more frequently in decades past. And global warming activists will try to induce you to forget their prior snake-oil predictions, like the warm and snow-free predictions issued by the IPCC.

 

For the full Forbes article go to: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/25/cold-and-snow-destroy-global-warming-claims/

 

Predictably, the Forbes article sparked a flurry of comments from our fellow Undergrounders (members of our Underground Knowledge group) including one from a learned member who says, “The global discussion on Global Heating has moved way, way beyond the whole ‘is it real?’ stuff.” He claims, “To still be pondering that is akin to still being debating whether the Earth is round or flat, purely because the Flat Earth Society insists that its view be heard. Flat Earthers get laughed out of town these days.”

 

Members’ randomly selected comments follow:

The point that I was trying to make, regarding Global Warming, is that it’s important not to allow deniers to sow doubt where none exists. It’s a typical Big Brother tactic. If facts don’t suit your agenda, and the evidence for them is such that you can’t deny them outright, sow doubt among the population at large about them. Start a “debate” which distracts attention and energy from worthwhile discussion and progress… exactly what is happening here. It’s a little disappointing to see that you’ve swallowed the Big Brother bait on this one.

 

The Forbes article – yawn. More establishment doubt-sowing. “Some Snow Destroys Global Warming Claims” is about as good as “Some Cheeseburgers Destroy Global Hunger Claims” or “Some Money Destroys Global Poverty Claims”. You’re correct, Forbes hasn’t run any articles lately questioning whether the Earth is round or flat, but then, the Flat Earth Society don’t have media and political lobbyists backed by billions of oil money, either.

 

This article in London’s leading newspaper The Telegraph with the headline ‘The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever’ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth… The first paragraph from this mainstream media article is perhaps telling: When future generations look back on the global-warming scare of the past 30 years, nothing will shock them more than the extent to which the official temperature records – on which the entire panic ultimately rested – were systematically “adjusted” to show the Earth as having warmed much more than the actual data justified.

 

The “debate” that exists in mainstream media is fossil-fuel company sponsored diversion of public attention from the fact that their industry is wrecking the planet. Among the scientific community there is overwhelming consensus on the issue. If you still need evidence for global warming, here is as good a place to start as any: http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 

It seems like every one has an opinion, but only the best scientists have the data. Those scientists provide a large set of data that would suggest global warming is real. No where though did anyone say it was linear, which it isn’t.

 

We (Earthlings) are either in an Ice Age or between Ice Ages. If we are between, as is the case now, we are either coming out of the last Ice Age or heading into the next one…so we either warm up or we cool down. In other words…we’ve seen it all before. Any takers? No? Too simple perhaps? The thing that worries me about this whole global warming debate is the amount of money up for grabs. Even IF the naysayers are wrong about global warming, I smell something…the whiff of corruption perhaps?

 

I find it a bit curious that anybody is still questioning the existence of human induced climate change. Some people might believe that some US president first realised this, but the first scientist to recognise it, as far as I know, was Tyndall in about 1850. Newspapers are worthless sources of information. They can’t get anything right. Journalists are not scientists.

 

Group member and author Dr. Stephen Martino posted the following: “Global warming has become a fact in today’s public school curriculums. People who deny its existence are considered “deniers” and/or ignorant. However, we must ask: Is global warming indeed factual or is it some myth that is perpetuated by our government to further control our lives, finances and daily activities? “Some facts that contradict the global warming theory include: 1. The earth has not gotten any warmer since 1998 2. The Northern Polar ice cap is getting larger despite Al Gore’s prediction that it would be absent by 2014 3. The amount of CO2 in our atmosphere is almost negligible at 0.04%.”

 

If you want a proper assessment of climate issues you need to get information from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change or the scientific literature. IPCC reports are balance reports written by 1000 scientists worldwide with no political axe to grind. IPCC reports are free of charge as are the data from which the climate assessments are made. Those reports explain why, e.g., ice ages are not an issue.

 

Greenhouse Effect: The radiative effect of particular gases in the atmosphere (h2o, CO2, CH4, N2O) which act in concert to raise the global temperature and cause other climate effects.

global warming: the change in global temperature.

climate change: the change in the earth’s climate.

These terms are not vague: it is you that is ignorant of them.

 

Blah, blah, blah again. At best and very magnanimously, a continuation of “scientific fact until next revision.”

 

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2244487-global-warming—is-it-real

 

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Debunking of the Big Bang Theory leads to questions about God’s role in creation of the universe

Posted: March 5, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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It appears the universe may not have started with a BANG! That is if the latest science challenging the notion of the Big Bang Theory is correct.

This revelation has gotten members of our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com fairly worked up, with those of an atheistic or scientific bent butting heads with those of a religious persuasion as members debate the role of God in the creation of the universe.

It (the discussion that is) all began with a comment by a group moderator. He drew attention to a news item that quotes a theoretical physicist as declaring new research suggests the age of the universe could be infinite. That same article quotes another scientist as declaring “We (scientists) really have no right to say that the universe begins with a big bang.”

The news item referred to is at: https://au.news.yahoo.com/technology/…

The research referred to, incidentally, pertains to a paper published Feb. 4 in the journal Physical Letters B, and another paper that is currently under peer review, which was published in the preprint journal arXiv.

One of our members responded by quoting Genesis 1:1 – In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. She adds, “It’s the simple truth that I believe in.”

Another member countered by saying, “Unfortunately it’s not a simple truth: it is not simple and may not be the truth. E.g. who or what created god? According to Genesis, the universe was created about 6500 BC or something, whereas we know the Universe to be 13.8 billion years old. So Genesis is wrong anyway. “Who or what is god” is equivalent to the question to which Physics is seeking an answer. The big bang hypothesis assumes quantum mechanics is equivalent to god… With the big bang, there is a better explanation for reality and god isn’t needed. By the Occam’s razor principle we can therefore do without him.

To which the first member answered, “To answer the question, “who or what created god?” Nothing and no one created God. God has simply always existed. He was. He is. And He will be.”

 

Members’ (further) comments follow. (Names withheld):

At the risk of again being laughed at; the paths to god encompass the pre-destined pursuits of failing “knowledge” and the beauty of faith.

 

Other hypotheses such as a recycling universe, which is certainly not a new idea, may have a different role for quantum mechanics. Something that goes on forever (a recycling universe) is unsatisfactory as it doesn’t explain how it got there in the first place. Why is there something rather than nothing?

 

How does the new proposal handle the background radiation issue? Some sites worth reading: http://www.big-bang-theory.com/ … http://news.nationalgeographic.com/ne…

 

I believe the Big Bang Theory is very ridiculous and requires EVEN MORE FAITH than believing that a loving God created the universe in six days (which is totally the truth, and very simple to accept.)

 

Keep in mind most modern Christians do not state the world is 4-6,000 years old anymore. Most accept that the Earth is billions of years old as per science’s findings. The belief that it’s only a few thousand years old is now about as popular a Christian belief as the old Biblical viewpoint that the Earth is the center of the Universe. Certainly some Christian sects and other minority offshoots (e.g. Seventh Day Adventists) push the old 4,000 year old Biblical belief, but not mainstream Christianity as a whole…FYI, the Aboriginal (native) people in Australia are estimated to go back to around 50,000 years.

 

The bottom line is the Bible was written by men (not any supernatural entity) and written in a time when people had little scientific understanding…

 

The Bible was Not written by men. It was spoken through men but God-breathed (God spoke it it to them or supernaturally showed them what to write).

 

Any Christian scholar will inform you the Bible was most certainly written by men. Afterall, nobody is saying the books that formed the Bible fell out of the sky already written. Each book in the Bible had authors – hence the Book of Job, the Gospel of Mark, the Gospel of Matthew etc. Furthermore, it’s historically proven many or all of these books were edited at later dates (e.g. the Council of Nicea biblical edits in 353AD conducted by the Romans).

 

There are actually various other scientific theories that have been proposed regarding the background radiation. For example, Japanese scientist and member of this group Takaaki Musha has proposed that the cosmic background radiation is not due to the after-glow of a Big Bang, but rather it’s due to the Cherenkov radiation from tachyon pairs created from a ZPF vacuum.

 

Back to the point about the universe possibly recycling. Didn’t Hubble himself have that idea? Wasn’t he the one who thought up the phrase “big bang” as a frustrated way of saying how silly the whole idea was? Of course science is full of silly ideas that ultimately survive the full test of scientific enquiry, such as evolution itself. It will probably take a long time to dismiss the “big bang” theory [no pun intended!]. We can get very close to the point when the current universe began — a tiny fraction of a second. After this point the laws of physics as currently known can work to produce the universe as it is. However close we can get we may never know for sure how the universe began.

 

There may indeed be a few ideas going around such as parallel universes and/or holographic loop, but these don’t seem testable. This makes it unsatisfactory. I can’t possibly see how the universe could be physically infinite. Closed, certainly. In other words if we keep racing for the exit then we can’t get out, even after an infinite time. This is because ultimately space curves in on itself according to principles of general relativity.

 

To view the entire discussion thread, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2237090-the-big-bang-theory—debunked

 

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Membership of our fledgling ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com has topped 640, making it one of the fastest growing groups on the popular literary site.

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The ‘Underground Knowledge’ group is aimed at those with an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times. Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind. Our members include scientists, teachers, historians, authors, military and intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students, former police officers and many more.

Visit the group at: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

 

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Poll asks if Bobby Kennedy’s killer acted alone…Most say No!

Posted: March 2, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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In the latest poll in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com we ask members if they believe Robert (Bobby) F. Kennedy (RFK) was solely killed by the “lone gunman” Sirhan Sirhan?

RFK (above) after the fateful shooting. Sirhan Sirhan (below) under arrest.

Interim results show 62% of poll respondents say No (he wasn’t killed by the lone gunman), 18% say Yes (he was) and 20% indicate they’re Undecided.

A random selection of poll respondents’ comments follow. (Names withheld):

I think there’s as much evidence to show Sirhan Sirhan could not possibly have been the only killer of RFK as there is to prove that Oswald couldn’t have acted alone in JFK’s murder. However, the RFK assassination is much more complicated as it likely involved mind control (MK-Ultra) and people need to research wider to understand it.

Some key points for me are…Sirhan Sirhan has no memory of the event at all. There were many more bullets fired at the crime scene than Sirhan’s gun could hold. Sirhan was mixing in circles of MK-Ultra scientists before the killing and was recorded as being “easily hypnotized”.

I recall watching this happen and there was so much confusion. These “single” assassins probably didn’t just spring up on their own. To have both Jack and Bobby gunned down is probably statistically improbable. And Martin too, without outside input from those who feared them…just doesn’t add up to lone assassins. So many “truths” then and now just don’t add up to any kind of “normal” reality.

I voted undecided…My instincts always said that the event was much too convenient for the powers that be. Imagine what might have been if RFK became the next US president. This is not to reject any notion of conspiracy. The martyred shooter is likely just the tip of the iceberg.

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

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The ‘Underground Knowledge’ group is aimed at those with an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times. Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind. Our members include scientists, teachers, historians, authors, military and intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students, former police officers and many more.

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Poll results show many convinced Hurricane Katrina was an ‘inside job’

Posted: February 17, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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In the latest poll on our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com  we ask members if they believe Hurricane Katrina was a purely natural disaster; some of the responses make for interesting reading…

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Katrina batters New Orleans. 

The full question posed in this (continuing) poll reads: Do you believe Hurricane Katrina was a purely natural disaster or do you think it was an ‘inside job’ on some level (e.g. HAARP, eugenics-style racial attack, blowing up levees or general weather modification)?

Thus far, 43% of poll respondents have opted for natural disaster, 20% are unsure and the balance (37%) opted for inside job.

 

A random selection of comments from those who believe Hurricane Katrina was an inside job follows. (Names withheld):

I sense it was an Inside Job and voted that way. Declassified documents seem to indicate weather modification may be very advanced. Not just HAARP but general weather modification technologies that the military industrial complex has in its possession.

 

I strongly feel that Katrina was either orchestrated event or else a natural disaster that was used in an opportunist fashion to attack impoverished African American communities. Unfortunately, when you study the history of eugenics it is impossible to dismiss such sinister racial experiments.

 

Total inside job. I’ve talked to people that lived through it, swimming from house to house, and they said the levies were intentionally tampered with, although I can’t remember the specifics. Either way, it’s self-evident. All you have to do is look at how many people profited off the cleanup and by how much.

 

While I am unsure about the cause; I am sure that the authorities did everything in their power afterward to make more of a mess.

 

Indeed it was orchestrated. There was an emergency planning scenario drill exercise held in New Orleans which commenced one week ahead of the storm called Hurricane Pam. It is believed that this granted FEMA the cover it needed to plant the explosives in the levee wall of Lake Portchartrain.

 

The slow government response to this huge disaster was very unusual. Somehow, things didn’t make sense from a rescue point of view. Why did it take so long for the government to do something? This is not a normal response, in the U.S., anyway.

 

Although I cannot be 100% sure that it was a manmade inside job, I still voted that way, because if Katrina wasn’t, then certainly other things of the same ilk were. Weather modification, eugenics and associated things are those areas that can be backed up with some hard facts, and yet it’s still routinely ignored in mainstream press (even the weather modification we’ve been told has been employed).

 

And here’s some links relating to Katrina that poll respondents have provided:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz91N… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9k9P… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1m_d… https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/…

http://www.whale.to/b/vialls3.html

https://www.academia.edu/7533253/War_…

 

To view all the comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/115513-do-you-believe-hurricane-katrina-was-a-purely-natural-disaster-or-do-you

 

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Our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group is aimed at those with an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times. Everyone’s welcome to join! All you need is an enquiring mind. Our members include scientists, teachers, historians, authors, military and intelligence agency personnel, bankers, housewives, whistleblowers, students, former police officers and many more.

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Claims of brainwashed sex slaves and satanic abuse prompted by discussion on fracturing of the psyche

Posted: February 13, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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One of the most popular (and disturbing) threads on our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on the literary site Goodreads.com was sparked by a comment on the somewhat seedy topic of mind control and brainwashed slaves.

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Posted by James, one of the group’s moderators, the comment reads:

Although unproven, the fracturing of the psyche is said to be used by either intelligence agencies or sinister shadowy groups to create Manchurian Candidates and/or sex slaves.

It has been claimed that by conducting various forms of abuse on certain individuals, including verbal and sexual abuse, split personalities occur in victims which make mind control much easier.

Although such conspiracy theories seem outlandish, they perhaps cannot be instantly dismissed as the fact remains that the first psychiatrists employed to master mind control studied mental patients who had been diagnosed with Multiple Personality Disorder (which medical science has since renamed Dissociative Identity Disorder).

Many of those psychiatrists are said to have been Paperclip Nazi doctors who were brought to the US after conducting radical psychiatric experiments on patients during the Holocaust – the same doctors whose victims not only included Jews, Gyspies, political agitators and homosexuals, but also the mentally ill.

 

That post prompted an outpouring of comments – some from members who claim to be the victims of both satanic and sexual abuse.

A random sample of those comments (names withheld) follows:

EXCLUSIVE: ‘Charities claim that the satanic abuse of children is rife.’…CHILDREN have been the victims of satanic abuse including rape, murder and even the production of so-called snuff films which depict killings, two leading charities claimed last night. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/5330…

 

This sort of article makes naysayers who haunt the autobiographies of survivors with statements like “It’s all a hoax you idiot!” and “Satanic Panic” verbiage, say things like “liars!” They would like us all to go back to sleep and stop causing them trouble. Although they do like getting paid so well to harass survivors.

 

The idea that many establishment figures are organised criminal paedophiles, as put forward by conspiracy theorists years ago, who often named the same names, is coming out more and more here in the mainstream U.K press. See this story in today’s The Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/…

 

Damn…I find this stuff really, really scary…Especially when you consider they are probably just uncovering the tip of the iceberg. Who the hell are these “people” in power? The other question I have is how come this is only being uncovered or reported in the UK? When will similar revelations come to light in the US?

 

Here in the US, snuff films have been around since the early 70’s at least. When we said; “Do your own thing,” we had no idea of the sickness of some peoples things.

 

This investigation says that Satanic ritual abuse not proven and likely to be only isolated cases usually involving insane individuals https://www.goodreads.com/videos/7557… Not saying I believe that theory necessarily, but I wanted to present the argument against the mass ritual abuse theories. So don’t shoot the messenger!!

 

There is plenty of absolute solid proof that Satanic abuse groups do exist. To say they don’t is like saying the KKK don’t exist. There’s lesser proof that they are all connected in a larger conspiracy.

 

The current U.K organised paedophilia groups are not being presented as anything to do with Satanism. But when mainstream media is starting to agree about the high level organisation of it and how many important and well known people are involved with it, just as conspiracy theorists stated years ago. So surely that then gives more credence to those investigations of Satanic abuse that’s been mentioned by many of the same conspiracy researchers, especially when different branches of Satanism have had many close links to other known and secret organisations.

 

…Either way: ‘organised paedophilia’ or ‘organised Satanic paedophilia’, it’s as equally disturbing of course.

 

I think the consistency of survivor accounts is evidence that it is an organized ring of the same religion or mind set. Symbols used in their organized mind “programming” are consistent. Survivors talk about the use of Masonic symbols, and lines from fairy tales, children’s stories and biblical passages (Oz programming, Tower of Babble programming). This would be used to create consistency as a sort of “programming language” regardless of whether the users believed in the same religious jargon.

 

Ritual Abuse occurs with many different groups. I would be mistaken not to acknowledge this. I have a personal focus on the abuse linked to ramblings about the Illuminati, Masonic rites and MK-Ultra, but of course there are other groups who get caught up in the power trip of torture and murder in the name of their dark side.

 

This is an interesting blog about what is happening in the UK: http://thecolemanexperience.wordpress…

 

To view the entire discussion thread, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2042096-brainwashed-slaves

 

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Prince Charles not alone when it comes to communicating with plants

Posted: February 11, 2015 in Underground Knowledge
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Seems Prince Charles ain’t the only one who communicates with plants if the comments being made by members of our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com are anything to go by. The comments have been prompted by one member, a former Intelligence soldier with the US Army, who raised the possibility of telepathic communication between plants and humans on one of the group’s discussion threads.

 Prince Charles

Charlie not only talks to plants…he swears they respond!

The member concerned (name withheld) says he recently came across several studies that have identified a telepathic (or energetic) communication between plants and humans. “In multiple studies, plants have presented a measurable response to human thoughts of harming the plants. If plants can indeed read human thoughts, what does this say about nature and our relationship to it. Are we capable of an avatar-like communication with the natural world. If so, why do you think this information is not being taught in every single school around the world?”

The member concerned left the following link for anyone interested: http://www.serviceofchange.com/plants/

His comments sparked a variety of responses from other members – some skeptical, some receptive. A sample of these comments (names withheld) follow:

I believe it, but tend to think the phrase “energetic communication” would be more apt than “telepathic communication”.

 

Perhaps “energetic immagination” would be even more apt…

 

I think there’s a fair amount of scientific research to validate it or at least make it very hard to dismiss.

 

Perhaps we should consult Prince Charles on this one. He doesn’t just talk to his plants, he instructs them and swears they respond…as per this Daily Mail article – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2286883/Prince-Charles-revealed-instructs-plants.html

 

Does this mean vegetarians should immediately become meat-eaters?

 

I just sense there must be a way for all living things to create some form of communication…even if just very basic communication…I mean, only half a century ago people would have said it’s impossible for humans and dolphins to communicate.

 

If you’ve ever listened to Gregg Braden, he does a great job explaining how all matter communicates on a quantum level; how consciousness can influence particles.

 

Come on people, we all know Prince Charles is crackers: it’s all that aristocratic inbreeding! Similar to your plants/communication hypothesis I have a generic issue for you all to discuss which can be phrased abstractly as follows:

Given any event X and any unrelated event Y

Discuss evidence for X affecting Y

Waste hours of your time looking at the connections. Then conclude that the “jury is still out”, which of course it would be as there is no evidence. This is basically what you’ve done above.

 

Not all phenomenon can be squeezed into your X and Y equations.

 

Must away. There’s a lettuce in my garden looking a little forlon. I best go and cheer him up with a few kind words…

 

To see all comments, or better still to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2199946-telepathic-communication-between-humans-and-plants?comment=114134511#comment_114134511

 

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