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In his foreword to our new release book GENIUS INTELLIGENCE: Secret Techniques and Technologies to Increase IQ, acclaimed Japanese scientist Dr. Takaaki Musha says this is “a much needed book for those who sense there are faster and easier ways to learn and study than the methods currently being taught in mainstream education systems.”

Dr. Takaaki Musha…high hopes for Genius Intelligence.

Dr. Musha, who is Director of Japan’s Advanced-Science Technology Research Organization, Yokohama, was formerly a senior research scientist developing naval underwater weapon systems at the Technical Research and Development Institute of Japan’s Ministry of Defense.

An excerpt from Dr. Musha’s foreword follows:

During this period (at the Ministry of Defense) I spent a lot of time in my private life studying Number Theory, which is a branch of pure mathematics devoted primarily to the study of the integers, or whole numbers.

From this mathematical research, I came across the enigma of Srinivasa Ramanujan, an Indian genius mathematician who, with almost no formal training, discovered many complex formulas and made extraordinary contributions to mathematical analysis and number theory. Ramanujan often said the Goddess of Namakkal inspired him with formulae at night while he was dreaming and that each morning, upon awakening, he would write down the results of these vivid dreams.

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Srinivasa Ramanujan…a born genius.

For many years, I could not understand the mental processes that lead to Ramanujan’s advanced mathematical findings. However, after studying the human brain from the standpoint of superluminal particles, I eventually came to the conclusion that everyone’s brain has the potential to connect to an outer field of consciousness, which has also been termed by more mystical thinkers as the Universal Mind.

To summarize my research on the brain, I wrote Superluminal Particles and Hypercomputation, which was published by LAMBERT Academic Publishing in early 2014. Soon after its publication, I was contacted by James Morcan, one of the authors of Genius Intelligence, who felt that my theories on superluminal particles could support his and Lance Morcan’s suppositions about the nature of genius.

This book you are now reading contains a wide range of genius methods – all of which have the potential to increase your IQ. You’ll read about everything from speed reading to brain gland activation to sleep learning to smart drugs to virtual reality training.

I believe this is a much needed book for those who sense there are faster and easier ways to learn and study than the methods currently being taught in mainstream education systems.

Lastly, I sincerely hope that the publication of Genius Intelligence contributes to a global awakening to assist us to hold enough truth in our minds to change this world for better.

To see what the critics are saying about GENIUS INTELLIGENCE, or to check the book out, go to: http://www.amazon.com/GENIUS-INTELLIGENCE-Techniques-Technologies-Underground-ebook/dp/B00QXQQWXO/ 

To view the discussion thread on genius intelligence (the phenomenon) in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ group on Goodreads check out : https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-29-conspiracy-theories—a-discussion-group Everyone’s welcome!

 

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We posed this question to members of our ‘Underground Knowledge’ group (on Goodreads.com) in our latest poll – and early results show 42% of poll respondents believe the Boston Marathon bombings were orchestrated by intelligence agencies.

Flashback to the 2013 Boston Marathon bombings.

Only 27% of poll respondents believe the bombings were masterminded by Islamic terrorists and 31% are unsure.

A random selection of poll respondents’ comments follow (names withheld):

I (am) convinced that this incident was planned by the US inteligent agencies. They wanted more budget for themselves.

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I believe that the Boston Marathon Bombing was caused by a terror attack, however I’m still ascertaining from whom, as it seemed too convenient to be Islamic Terrorists. Devastating, yet convenient. 

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The aim as with past agendas aimed at imposing a totalitarian government upon a people is to get them to willingly hand over their guns under the pretext of quelling gun violence or preventing terrorist threats, rendering the population powerless to defend itself against military rule.

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If performed by “terrorists” they were not the brightest of their ilk. Minimal long lasting effects not worthy of Bin-Laden…This event, however, seems to have provided a forum for the “peace-seeking” gun lovers. Lets at least recognize that we are in silly season.

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I recommend these two videos to learn more about this subject…Former FBI employee Sibel Edmonds on the Boston Bombing and the US roots of “Chechen” terrorism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RCN1…  …Former CIA agent Robert David Steele gives his opinion on the Boston bombing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYPrt…  

 

North: Aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombings

The gruesome aftermath.

 

To view poll results, or to have YOUR say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

Poll closes December 22.

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Membership of our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group has now topped 370, making it one of the fastest growing groups of its kind – if not the fastest – on the popular Goodreads site.

Goodreads: Book reviews, recommendations, and discussion

This group is open to everyone! All you need is an enquiring mind, an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times. Our members include scientists, historians, conspiracy theorists, students, authors, doctors and many more.

To visit our Underground Knowledge group go to: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

 

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What if there are faster and easier ways to learn and study than the modi operandi currently being taught in mainstream education systems?

GENIUS INTELLIGENCE: Secret Techniques and Technologies to Increase IQ is the ultimate treatise on accelerated learning methods. Written by novelists, filmmakers and independent researchers James Morcan & Lance Morcan with a foreword by leading scientist Dr. Takaaki Musha, this book shatters the myth that geniuses are born not developed. It reveals how most instances of above-the-ordinary intelligences are acquired thru superior cognitive techniques or brain enhancing technologies.

Renowned geniuses examined include Apple founder Steve Jobs who as a 19-year-old began practising an ancient discipline that activated previously dormant parts of his brain; Albert Einstein who came up with his great theory of relativity while using a rare mental practice; Kim Peek (the real ‘Rain Man’) who could speed read any book in five minutes flat with total comprehension; Indian mathematical mastermind Srinivasa Ramanujan who, although untrained, created extraordinary formulas that left academics gobsmacked; Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart who composed entire pieces while in a specific altered state of mind.

Among the discoveries shared with readers are brain waves common to geniuses and the various ways to induce those brain waves; mental techniques the world’s elite and A-List celebrities are quietly using to help them process information while they’re asleep or in virtual worlds; chemical substances students and academics the world over employ to kick-start the brain into overdrive; and cutting-edge technologies business tycoons and professional athletes employ to gain a cerebral edge over their competitors.

Drawing on the latest findings in neuroscience, GENIUS INTELLIGENCE lists dozens of practical methods to increase IQ and speed-learn any subject.

“Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see.” –Arthur Schopenhauer

“The knowledge of all things is possible” –Leonardo da Vinci

 

Product Details

GENIUS INTELLIGENCE: Secret Techniques and Technologies to Increase IQ is available via Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/GENIUS-INTELLIGENCE-Techniques-Technologies-Underground-ebook/dp/B00QXQQWXO/

 

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One of us (James) is currently reading the memoir Classified Woman, by former FBI employee-turned whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, and it’s a real eye-opener.

Nicknamed “the most classified woman in U.S. history,” Ms Edmonds recently joined our Underground Knowledge group on Goodreads.com – hence our recommendation of her book to fellow members. The ‘most classified woman’ tag, incidentally, is because of gagging orders placed on her by Congress as a result of her firsthand knowledge of information withheld following the 9/11 attacks.

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Sibel Edmonds…classified.

Ms Edmonds worked as a language specialist for the FBI where she reported serious acts of security breaches and cover-ups, and for that she was retaliated against and ultimately fired. The court proceedings on her case were blocked by the assertion of State Secrets Privilege, and the U.S. Congress has been gagged and prevented from taking up or even discussing her case through retroactive classification issued by the Department of Justice.

According to Classified Woman’s description, the author “takes us on a surreal journey that begins with the secretive FBI and down the dark halls of a feckless Congress to a stonewalling judiciary and finally, to the national security whistleblowers movement she spearheaded.

“Having lived under Middle East dictatorships, Edmonds knows firsthand what can happen when government is allowed to operate in secret. Hers is a sobering perspective that combines painful experience with a rallying cry for the public’s right to know and to hold the lawbreakers accountable. With U.S. citizens increasingly stripped of their rights in a calibrated media blackout, Edmonds’ story is a wake-up call for all Americans who, willingly or unwillingly, traded liberty for security in the wake of 9/11.”

Ms Edmonds also recently published her first novel – a spy thriller titled The Lone Gladio. Although fiction, the book interweaves a lot of factual information, which the author has intimate knowledge of, including assassinations, drug running, false flag ops and the CIA’s and NATO’s secret terrorist-sponsoring program known as ‘Operation Gladio’.

The Lone Gladio (Volume 1)

Ms Edmonds’ first novel.

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Membership of the Underground Knowledge group (on Goodreads.com) has now topped 350 members and includes scientists, historians, conspiracy theorists, authors, students and others from all walks of life. This group is open to everyone! All you need is an enquiring mind, an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times.

To visit our Underground Knowledge group go to: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

Early results of the latest poll in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ group on Goodreads.com show opinions are divided as to whether recreational drugs should be decriminalized.

Recreational Drugs Blog

In our latest poll, we ask: Do you believe society would be better off if recreational drugs were decriminalized?

To date, 48% of poll respondents say better off; 40% say unsure; and 12% say worse off.

The early results can be compared to polls conducted by mainstream US media and official polling organizations. For example, in the case of marijuana, a very recent Gallup Poll (published Nov.6, 2014) shows that “A slim majority of Americans, 51%, favor legalizing the use of marijuana — similar to the 50% who supported it in 2011 and 2012, but down from a reading of 58% last year,” according to a report on Gallup.com.

The report continues, “Gallup’s long-term trend on Americans’ support for legalizing marijuana…shows that in 1969, just 12% of U.S. adults were in favor. But that swelled to 28% by the late 1970s, and 34% by 2003. Since then, support steadily increased to the point that 50% supported it in 2011.

“Last year was the first time Gallup found a solid majority in favor, at 58%. That poll was conducted amid heavy news coverage of the imminent implementation of Colorado’s marijuana legalization law, which may have contributed to what appears to have been a temporary jump in support.”

In our poll (on Goodreads) the most insightful comment received to date reads as follows:

“Many now illegal drugs were available in the appropriately named “drug stores” in the early 20th century. They were inexpensive and therefore not an inducement to crime and the severely decreased market potential of one imprisoned. Now, it has become an industry to repeatedly incarcerate the poor “offender”, build more jails, provide jobs for sadists and confiscate loot. Don’t have the audacity to refute this unless you’ve been there.” (Name withheld).

To have YOUR say, or to view the growing number of discussions on numerous topics in our ‘Underground Knowledge’ group, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

We welcome all viewpoints!

This group is open to everyone! All you need is an enquiring mind, an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times. Our members include scientists, historians, conspiracy theorists, students, authors, doctors and many more.

 

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Membership of our new ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads.com has now topped 300, making it one of the fastest growing groups of its kind – if not the fastest – on the popular site.

Goodreads: Book reviews, recommendations, and discussion

This group is open to everyone! All you need is an enquiring mind, an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times. Our members include scientists, historians, conspiracy theorists, students, authors, doctors and many more.

Links follow to some of our group’s more popular discussion threads:

We ask if the Islamic State (IS/ISIS) is another invention of the West. As one member of our group says, “The terms IS, ISIL, ISIS are obviously labels created by the west to identify the loose coalition of military groups rebelling against the Western occupation of Iraq which has taken foothold in Syria. So in this sense, it is an invention of the West.” To have your say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2094848-is-the-islamic-state-is-isis-another-invention-of-the-west

Al-Shabab: The Somalian terrorist group with Al Qaeda links, has seen four San Diego residents been arrested in the past month

Terrorists…yet another creation?

Are the rumors true that the CIA’s MK-Ultra mind control program continues, albeit under another codename – perhaps as a Black Op rather than a government-sanctioned project? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1953980-mk-ultra

MK-Ultra turning out real-life Manchurian Candidates?

What happened to Yamashita’s Gold? (The multi-trillion dollar WW2 cover-up). https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1955208-the-multi-trillion-dollar-ww2-cover-up

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One of General Yamashita’s alleged trillion yen sites.

Weather modification and HAARP…weather research or weather manipulation? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1955376-weather-modification-and-haarp

HAARP…the subject of many a conspiracy theory.

America’s relationship with Royalty…Is every US President in history – right up to and including Obama – is related by blood to the Windsors? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1955455-america-s-relationship-with-royalty

Queen Elizabeth gets a hearty laugh from President Reagan., © Diana Walker, UT Center for American History

Queen Elizabeth and President Reagan.

Our recent poll asked: Do you believe Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman in the JFK assassination as per the US Government’s official story? 89% answered No.

Meanwhile, our latest poll asks: Do you believe the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election in which George W. Bush defeated Al Gore was a fair election or a fraudulent election? To date, 65% say Fraudulent with the balance evenly split between fair and undecided. https://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group?type=group

Al Gore, left, and George W. Bush are shown. | AP Photo

Gore and Bush…on campaign trail.

 

Our Underground Knowledge group is also for like-minded people to discuss the controversial topics explored in The Underground Knowledge series – of which the first book in that series is The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy. This non-fiction title was written by James Morcan & Lance Morcan with a foreword by leading scientist Dr. Takaaki Musha and an afterword by renowned historian Professor Richard Spence.

The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy

http://www.amazon.com/The-Orphan-Conspiracies-Conspiracy-Theories-ebook/dp/B00J4MPFT6/

To visit our Underground Knowledge group go to: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

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GENIUS INTELLIGENCE: Secret Techniques and Technologies to Increase IQ, by James & Lance Morcan with Foreword by Japanese scientist Dr. Takaaki Musha, will be launched as a Kindle ebook on Amazon this month.

Genius Intelligence ebook cover

Please let us know if you like this planned book cover.

 

Book two in The Underground Knowledge Series, it follows the release earlier this year of our first non-fiction book, THE ORPHAN CONSPIRACIES: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy.

After a decade of research, and searching in unusual places, we firmly believe the contents of Genius Intelligence contain the most advanced and radical accelerated learning methods on the planet right now.

Watch this space!

In our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads we ask: Do you believe the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election in which George W. Bush defeated Al Gore was a fair election or a fraudulent election?

Al Gore, left, and George W. Bush are shown. | AP Photo

Gore and Bush…on campaign trail.

Almost two thirds of those polled to date believe the election was fraudulent with the balance evenly split between a fair election and undecided.

 

Here’s a sample of poll responses received (names withheld):

 

Fraudulent, but wouldn’t have mattered either way. We’d still be in the thick of it in the middle east and would have international banksters/multinational corporations calling the shots.

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Fraudulent- definitely. See this concise article for how: http://www.michaelparenti.org/stolene… (And, as an aside, here in England, it was a similar state of affairs when Cameron got in -although different tactics used. The Lib Dems won the majority, and they held the power as to whether there was to be a coalition and who with etc. Where are we now? Everyone’s forgotten that. Cameron is the big man P.M, and the Lib Dems will soon be a non-existent party.)

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I think it was definitely not a fair eection. there were so many votes un-counted or unaknowledged…after the election, here were so many unanswered questions about what votes were couted and those that were not, and then there is the queston of whether votes were “lost” I think George W. just had more money……

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Hanging chads and cutting short aside there were also serious reports of “technical” poll problems in Florida minority neighborhoods. Remember who was the Governor? It just goes to show that if the bastards are to be beaten (assuming a possibly naïve hope that there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats) it has to be by a wide margin. Imagine if the US Treasury had not been depleted by sending vast sums to the middle east in return for no oil.

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Don’t think it was a fair election back then, and with Citizens United allowing millions being poured into negative PR against candidates we`have more elections that are not fair. (Historian).

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I also believe that you cannot get anywhere near the Presidency position without shaking the right hands (the hands of bankers and military men especially) and kissing the right asses. Therefore… the same or very similar war/corruption scenarios still would have occurred. Gore was possibly the lesser of two evils, but still a complete puppet I’d say. Democrat or Republican, Left or Right, Liberal or Conservative – the global elite have all these so-called different groups or different voting options under their thumbs. However, with all the voting fraud rumors and investigations during and after that election, the suspicious Florida recount(s) at least showed many common citizens that tampering with votes is not only something that occurs in little banana republics of Third World …

 

To see all poll responses received to date, or to have your say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/111910-do-you-believe-the-2000-u-s-presidential-election-in-which-george-w-bu

 

Our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group is open to everyone! All you need is an enquiring mind, an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times.

This group is also for like-minded people to discuss the controversial topics explored in The Underground Knowledge series – of which the first book in that series is The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy. This non-fiction title was written by James Morcan & Lance Morcan with a foreword by leading scientist Dr. Takaaki Musha and an afterword by renowned historian Professor Richard Spence.

The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy

To visit or join our Underground Knowledge group go to: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

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In our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads we ask: Do you believe Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman in the JFK assassination as per the US Government’s official story?

JFK and Jackie in the limousine as it makes its way through Dallas.

JFK and Jackie on than fateful day in Dallas in 1963.

Judging by members’ responses to date, a more appropriate question may have been: Does anyone believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?

Here’s a sample of poll responses received (names withheld):

Who in the world would vote yes to this question?

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I have always thought that it was one of the Secret Service Agents who was ‘protecting’ him that fired the kill shot. Who else had better access, had a legitimate reason to have a firearm during the incident, and after the first two shots would have a perfect cause to draw their weapon. During the confusion and Jackie’s over the top hysteria it would have been very easy for the agent to fire the final shot, unnoticed. He would not have used his service piece thinking they would be tested – I plead ignorance to knowing if they ever were tested by the Warren Commission. I’ve never read that piece of drivel, figured the government puts out enough propaganda without me going and actually searching for more of it.

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I can’t understand any “Yes” vote on this one. All the evidence, ballistic, eye witness, logical, and inferential makes this a no-brainer to all but the Warren Commission and the other uninformed. That is merely stating that Oswald had at least one more partner; collusion by two or more being the legal definition of conspiracy. Who were they? Motives abound…The only fault I find in this argument is that by now I would have expected someone to take credit on their death bed…Unless the CIA killed him or them right away.

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More than 50 witnesses testified at the time of the Warren Commission that they heard or saw a shot coming from that fence area to the front of the president. So that would fit the old grassy knoll theories (but maybe that’s all too obvious, I don’t know).

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I actually believe That Jackie did it…If you watch the video you see her hand reach behind him and the bullets exit wound comes out of the top. I will attempt to link it… http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=… At frame 309 you see her arm behind him at frame 313 you see that the exit wound is nearly straight up meaning it came from behind and below. You can also see a silver object in her right hand that she hides within the back seat.

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Jackie was the poster woman for America and she was loved by leaders of foreign countries. She was considered one of the best assets the US had at the time, from all I’ve read. No suspicion could touch her, and if they were at home alone and she was going to try to claim a gunman came in and attacked them and she was trying to kill the gunman but killed Jack instead or whatever, there would always be that doubt, like we now doubt the government’s story about Oswald. Jackie just could not be tainted, she was too valuable to the government.

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I want to know the motive of them to kill him. Maybe it was related to the Apollo mission.

 

To see all poll responses received to date, or to have your say, go to: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/111208-do-you-believe-lee-harvey-oswald-was-the-lone-gunman-in-the-jfk-assassin

 

Our ‘Underground Knowledge’ discussion group is open to everyone! All you need is an enquiring mind, an interest in the world we live in and a desire to learn or to uncover “underground knowledge” on important issues of our times.

This group is also for like-minded people to discuss the controversial topics explored in The Underground Knowledge series – of which the first book in that series is The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy. This non-fiction title was written by James Morcan & Lance Morcan with a foreword by leading scientist Dr. Takaaki Musha and an afterword by renowned historian Professor Richard Spence.

The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy

To visit or join our Underground Knowledge group go to: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group

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In the Afterword for our book The Orphan Conspiracies, renowned historian and Professor of History at the University of Idaho, Dr. Richard Spence, puts a unique conspiracy theory spin on the story of Adam and Eve, suggesting they “got the boot because they dared to acquire forbidden knowledge and, if not stopped, might have achieved the ultimate prize of eternal life.”

Bible facts adam and eve 10 Interesting Bible Facts

Dr. Spence claims, “The (Garden of) Eden saga is also relevant because, if taken literally, it can be interpreted as the Ur-Conspiracy against the human race.”

Here’s the relevant excerpt from Dr. Spence’s Afterword:

“Seeing Adam and Eve driven from paradise, the agent of their ruin, the Serpent, aka the Devil, was moved to pity. He asked God if he might bestow upon these pitiful creatures a gift which would make their mortal suffering and that of their descendants a little easier to bear.

The Lord consented, and so the Serpent granted humankind the “blessing” of self-delusion: the inability to see themselves, the world or their state as they really were.

The trick, of course, is that neither would they be able to see God or the Devil for what they really were either.

The Eden saga is also relevant because, if taken literally, it can be interpreted as the Ur-Conspiracy against the human race. Basically, Adam and Eve got the boot because they dared to acquire forbidden knowledge and, if not stopped, might have achieved the ultimate prize of eternal life.

It was that which prompted God—or Gods since the divine conversation is always in terms of “we”—to nip things in the bud lest the upstart creations become “like us.”

It’s enough to make one wonder just whose side the Serpent was on. Or could it be that the Serpent was just God in disguise? Maybe we’ve been in the dark from the beginning.

Mythology, heresy or whatever, I’ve often thought the “Devil’s Gift” story explained the human condition pretty well. Whether the Serpent is to be blamed or thanked, the simple fact is that we do possess a tremendous capacity for deluding ourselves—and others.”

 

An author in his own right, Dr. Spence specializes in Russian, intelligence and military history, and his university course offerings include Modern Espionage, Anti-Semitism and the Holocaust, History of Secret Societies and the Occult in History.

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Dr. Richard Spence.

Dr. Spence is also the author of numerous articles in Revolutionary Russia, Intelligence and National Security, International Journal of Intelligence and CounterIntelligence, The Historian, New Dawn and other publications.

He has served as a commentator/consultant for the History Channel and the International Spy Museum and was a key consultant-interviewee for the Russian Cultural Foundation’s 2007 documentary film, “Leon Trotsky: The Secret of World Revolution,” and its subsequent “Trap for the Tsar.”

Read more in The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy – available via Amazon at: http://www.amazon.com/The-Orphan-Conspiracies-Conspiracy-Theories-ebook/dp/B00J4MPFT6/

We have opened this and other controversial topics up for debate in ourUnderground Knowledge’ discussion group on Goodreads. More members welcome! Go to: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/142309-underground-knowledge—a-discussion-group